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Old Aug 12, 22, 2:08 pm
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Originally Posted by SandBoxJohn View Post
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The Primary reason for the closing south of National Airport is to realign the existing mainline tracks and connect them to the tracks that pass through the new Potomac Yard station. As part of this project a double crossover is being installed north of the new station just south of where the existing alignment connect to the new alignment. Ground work for the northwest corner of the new double crossover is partly under the existing inbound mainline track C1.
I live near where this new station is being built.

it does not take 6+ weeks to fix track. It takes thst todo the station creation work.



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Regarding the new station, is it located within/adjacent to this shopping center: https://www.mypotomacyard.com/location.htm ? What I am asking is if it makes any difference to a person like me who typically stays in hotels in Crystal City. Will it be close to any of the Alexandria hotels? Because the shopping center's list of vendors is uninspiring -- not at all different from what I have right where I live.
as of now the area near the station is..potomac yards shopping center, giant foods and apartments/ condos/ homes.

they have built some buildings fir Virginia teach.

they will be building more high rise buildings. There might be some hotels built in this area given proximity to the airport.

potomac yards shopping center is going to go away and be replaced by office buildings and residential. Some of the current retailers might stay around the area and take up the first two floors in these new buildings.

when Covid started it shut down a large Regal cinemas and accelerated its planned closing date and it’s tear down. They have gotten all the building and it’s lot and surrounding lands for building development.

i live close to Braddock station. Here it’s all residential. There are a couple hotels in this area about 5 blovpcks from the station. Post Covid a crown plaza was converted to condos.

some of the structures will be parking garages.

some of the hotels on the south end of crystal city near Harris teeter and lid,will be closer to that metro station than crystal city metro station.

as part of the airport project they are supposed to be building a long pedestrian bridge from the part of crystal city to the airport and metro station.
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they will be building more high rise buildings. There might be some hotels built in this area given proximity to the airport.
With Prime HQ2 on the way there will be no shortage of need for hotels, but MWAA is planning to build a hotel on the airport property within a few years.....
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Old Aug 15, 22, 9:56 pm
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Originally Posted by SandBoxJohn View Post
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The Primary reason for the closing south of National Airport is to realign the existing mainline tracks and connect them to the tracks that pass through the new Potomac Yard station. As part of this project a double crossover is being installed north of the new station just south of where the existing alignment connect to the new alignment. Ground work for the northwest corner of the new double crossover is partly under the existing inbound mainline track C1.
There's a photo of this double crossover, apparently brought to the construction site preassembled, on the City of Alexandria's page about station construction. The other good way to get a peek at the progress: have a window seat on the left side of the plane as you land at DCA from the south.
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Article on development

https://www.alxnow.com/2022/03/30/ci...d-development/

phase 1 where they tore down the Regal Cinema they are starting to construct buildings now. This is generally the property between Potomac Ave and the tracks.

Reed Ave splits the shopping center into a north and south parts. This road is used as a shopping center entry and ends at Potomac Ave. w there was an intersection there that hit a Regal cinema. The cosine a and it’s lots are torn down. There was a bike/ running paved sidewalk area on the west side of Potomac. They gutted that and moved the lane to the east side

Later phases are for the Potomac yards shopping center area. Target has a long lease thru the end of this decade. This could occur is the north side of Reed Ave goes first, then the south side of Reed goes last that is closer to the metro station. There are two small blocks south of east globe between Giant foods/ condos and Potomac Ave.
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Old Aug 24, 22, 7:05 am
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it does not take 6+ weeks to fix track. It takes thst todo the station creation work.


There will be a significant amount of grading that will need to take place to connect new alignment to the point were it connect to the existing alignment. All of the top soil and the unstable soil under will it need to be removed to allow the placement compacted clean fill dirt. The placement of fill dirt will done in multiple lifts with careful monitoring of moisture content to prevent future settlement. This kind of work can not be done in a few days

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There's a photo of this double crossover, apparently brought to the construction site preassembled, on the City of Alexandria's page about station construction. The other good way to get a peek at the progress: have a window seat on the left side of the plane as you land at DCA from the south.


I seemed to have made an error. The double crossover is on a concrete track bed outside the existing right of way. All of the third rail conduit stub outs within the double crossover are already in place. Note the freshly poured concrete under the rail fasteners at the bottom of the photograph.
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WPssst has a nice interview with Rich Golinowski, VP/Manager of IAD: https://www.washingtonpost.com/trans...irport-future/

including these bits on replacing C/D:Q:At 60, is Dulles starting to show its age?

A: Yes, it is. We’re starting to see some problems in some of our older buildings and we’re addressing those. Obviously, over the past couple of years, we’ve tried to control our budget as much as we could, but now that things are starting to look up, we’re starting to free up some money for maintenance for some of our older infrastructure.

Q:There’s been some big news out of Dulles recently. Can you tell me more about the 14-gate concourse and what it’s going to mean for travelers?

A: If you’re familiar with the C/D concourse — that’s the United Concourse — when that was built, it was built as a “temporary facility.” Well, it’s been around for 20 or 30 years now. We always had intentions to replace it, so this piece that’s coming, Concourse East, will be the first phase of the revitalization of Dulles Airport. It’s going to be a 14-gate addition that’s going to be built right on top of the C train station. If you’re familiar with this train station today, when you go in and you come out of the train, you have a long walk back to the gate. The new concourse will be built right on top of that train station, so you’ll just pop right up through escalators and elevators right into the concourse.

Q: How long will this take to complete?

A: We hope to have it done by 2026.

Q: How does this fit into the larger master plan for Dulles?

A: After we build this concourse we will then extend it across the airfield over time and ultimately replace the C/D concourse. Right now we are going through the planning process to identify the best way to do that. If you think of it today, it would be one large concourse, parallel to the C/D concourse we have today.

Q: How can the public get involved in the planning process for Dulles?

A: We are going to have a series of public participation venues or events, where people can come and see what our preliminary plan is and what our long-term plan is. The first one was held on April 27 and we are getting ready to schedule the next one or two of those public sessions. People can also go to the website and submit questions or concerns or comments about our master plan. It’s also important to note that the last time we did a master plan was in 1985. So the existing plan is 37 years old and it needs to be updated.
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Originally Posted by Section 107 View Post
Q:Theres been some big news out of Dulles recently. Can you tell me more about the 14-gate concourse and what its going to mean for travelers?

A: If youre familiar with the C/D concourse thats the United Concourse when that was built, it was built as a temporary facility. Well, its been around for 20 or 30 years now. We always had intentions to replace it, so this piece thats coming, Concourse East, will be the first phase of the revitalization of Dulles Airport. Its going to be a 14-gate addition thats going to be built right on top of the C train station. If youre familiar with this train station today, when you go in and you come out of the train, you have a long walk back to the gate. The new concourse will be built right on top of that train station, so youll just pop right up through escalators and elevators right into the concourse.

Q: How long will this take to complete?

A: We hope to have it done by 2026.

Q: How does this fit into the larger master plan for Dulles?

A: After we build this concourse we will then extend it across the airfield over time and ultimately replace the C/D concourse. Right now we are going through the planning process to identify the best way to do that. If you think of it today, it would be one large concourse, parallel to the C/D concourse we have today.
Interesting that Golinowski didn't mention the new concourse's role in replacing the A gates--the stated justification for building it when the MWAA board voted to proceed with the project this spring.
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Originally Posted by Section 107 View Post
Its going to be a 14-gate addition thats going to be built right on top of the C train station...After we build this concourse we will then extend it across the airfield over time and ultimately replace the C/D concourse.
First I've heard that there's a plan to replace the 30 y-o "temporary" C/D terminal. Great news for IAD if it can happen quickly!
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Yeah this has long been one of those "planned expansion" situations, see the train station placement alone, but they lacked funds (which sounds from my reading like the change now, that there is real money coming). As much as MWAA charges for the DTR and such, every terminal there should be like the A/B concourse!
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WMATA has stepped up its marketing of the Silver Line extension, both online and IRL. I picked up this flyer about the new stations at a fair a couple of weekends ago that offers some details not mentioned on Metro's page about the IAD station:



Three things to note about this:
  • That "1/8th mile radius walking distance" circle drawn around the IAD station has to be a typo, because every other station map in this flyer is drawn with a 1/4 mile circle and any dummy can check the distance for themselves in Google Maps. But seeing the moving-walkways connection under the parking lot end well short of that line underscores that this is not, objectively speaking, very far, and I'm not just saying that because I connected through FRA yesterday...
  • The Fairfax Connector 983 bus will continue to connect the airport to the Air & Space Museum's Udvar-Hazy Center.
  • I don't know what that "Metrobus Shuttle" by the A icon between the station and the parking garage is about, but I'll see if I can dig up the flyer at home later on.
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  • I don't know what that "Metrobus Shuttle" by the A icon between the station and the parking garage is about, but I'll see if I can dig up the flyer at home later on.
This means that if the Silver Line isn't running, and shuttles are replacing it (for example, track work over a weekend), that's where the shuttles would be. See, for example, Forest Glen's station vicinity map.
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This means that if the Silver Line isn't running, and shuttles are replacing it (for example, track work over a weekend), that's where the shuttles would be. See, for example, Forest Glen's station vicinity map.
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This means that if the Silver Line isn't running, and shuttles are replacing it (for example, track work over a weekend), that's where the shuttles would be. See, for example, Forest Glen's station vicinity map.
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WMATA has stepped up its marketing of the Silver Line extension, both online and IRL. I picked up this flyer about the new stations at a fair a couple of weekends ago that offers some details not mentioned on Metro's page about the IAD station:



Three things to note about this:
  • That "1/8th mile radius walking distance" circle drawn around the IAD station has to be a typo, because every other station map in this flyer is drawn with a 1/4 mile circle and any dummy can check the distance for themselves in Google Maps. But seeing the moving-walkways connection under the parking lot end well short of that line underscores that this is not, objectively speaking, very far, and I'm not just saying that because I connected through FRA yesterday...
  • The Fairfax Connector 983 bus will continue to connect the airport to the Air & Space Museum's Udvar-Hazy Center.
  • I don't know what that "Metrobus Shuttle" by the A icon between the station and the parking garage is about, but I'll see if I can dig up the flyer at home later on.
My hunch is 952 will run to where- Reston station operating on local roads in between stations. Right now it runs from Erhke-Reston to Herndon. It might be an alternate bus route like evevetpry other bus runs once an hour.

the shuttle to udvar-hazy wasnt going anywhere with metro opening.

on weekends service closures they dont run regular city/ county bus but instead run charter buses that only go in between stations without any stops in between.

where I live starts a 6 week closure south of the airport. There will be bus charter routes but not all of them follow the exact station to station. Just like the 2019 summer closure they had charter buses running pentagon- Springfield going 395.

where I live there is a local bus route between Braddock and crystal city I would use.
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Silver Line extension operationally ready to open for passengers by Thanksgiving
WMATA Press Release
10 19 2022

Date for opening now rests with Safety Commission concurrence on both Silver Line certification and new 7K Return to Service Plan

After successfully completing two weeks of simulated service, Metro leaders said today that they will be able to open the extension to Dulles Airport Station in time for the start of busy Thanksgiving travel, subject to approvals this week from the Washington Metrorail Safety Commission (WMSC) of two submissions -- a data-driven Return to Service Plan for 7000-series railcars, and a safety certification report of the Silver Line extension.

We committed for the Silver Line extension to being operationally ready for the Silver Line extension in October, and we have met our deadline, said General Manager and CEO Randy Clarke. Since control of the extension was turned over to Metro, we and our partners at the Airports Authority, Fairfax, and Loudoun have worked diligently to complete all of the steps needed for Metro to offer safe and reliable service for rail travel to Dulles Airport and Loudoun County, and we are just awaiting concurrence from our Safety Commission partners.

Metro took custody and control of the extension from the Airports Authority on June 23 and is finalizing its safety certification report to WMSC this week. WMSC has worked alongside Metro for months and has stated that it expects to add their concurrence to Metros within hours or days after receiving the report from Metros Chief Safety Officer. Metro does not view the final Silver Line safety certification report as a barrier to preparing for the opening of passenger service before Thanksgiving holiday travel.

More Trains Needed to Open

Last month, Metros senior safety and operations officials expressed safety concerns about moving cars from other crowded lines for new service, and that more trains were needed to support the extension. Unfortunately, WMSC notified Metro Monday afternoon that it objects to Metros new (phase three) Return to Service Plan for the 7000-series rail cars, following Metros submission of additional data analysis Friday. (The plan was first submitted on September 28 and was not approved citing lack of data to support changing multiple variables at once).

The latest rejection letter (186.6 kB PDF File) continues confusing direction provided to Metro:
  • WMSC permits Metro to run trains inspected every seven days on any line, with employees operating and onboard. However, trains inspected every four days are only permitted to run with customers on the Red, Green and Yellow lines;
  • The letter indicates that there are differences in the track interface with trains on Blue/Orange/Silver lines that require monitoring, then indicates permission to run on those lines temporarily, but offers no metrics for successful completion;
  • The letter implies that Metro could swap axles to increase the fleet; however, that is operationally infeasible and would impact Metros ability to safely and efficiently manage its fleet, as well as changes many variables at once;
  • WMSC approved in December 2021 the use of the 7K fleet on all rail lines, and is now using the same data analysis to justify fleet restrictions, with no definitive root cause identified in the NTSB investigation.
Metro recognizes the important role safety oversight plays and we are absolutely committed to compliance, said EVP and Chief Operating Officer Brian Dwyer. Respectfully, after a year-long investigation, we would welcome a directive based on a root cause finding. Meanwhile, we have developed an industry-leading inspection process in which we have high confidence. At the end of the day, all were asking is for our customers to be able to ride on the same trains as our employees.

Metro needs the WMSCs concurrence this week to safely transfer trains into the various yards to support the restoration of service for stations south of National Airport, and to mobilize trains for the start of passenger service at Dulles Rail Yard. Additionally, Metro needs to align real-time communications systems and finalize other details to support passenger service. Local bus service providers have also requested a minimum of three weeks notice to provide connecting service to new rail stations.

The phase three return to service plan (221.4 kB PDF File) is needed for both increased service frequency for customers systemwide and the Silver Line extension.

The plan seeks to reconcile two current processes one for test trains carrying Metro employees, the other for customer trains -- and to implement a single standard for trains carrying employees and customers on all lines with 7-day inspections. It should be noted that for months, Metro has operated 7K trains for testing and training purposes under the exact terms included in its phase three proposal, which demonstrates the safety of its approach.

We have provided all of the available data and analysis we have after safely running 2.7 million miles, however WMSC has provided confusing direction, said EVP and Chief Safety Officer Theresa Impastato. We simply ask for clear guidance on what is required to satisfy them as to the integrity of our process.

[For more information, reference [url=https://www.wmata.com/service/status/details/7000-Series-Blog.cfm]7K blog authored by Metro Chief Operating Officer and Chief Safety Officer]

While the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) investigation has not yet identified a root cause for the derailment, Metro is seeking WMSCs concurrence to adjust its fleet management while continuing the most robust program of wheel measurements in the transit industry by deploying:
  • All 748 7000-series railcars for passenger service (first time since October 2021
    • 7000-series trains in service on all rail lines
      • Protocols to measure wheels every seven days
As I said publicly at our

with only half of our 7Ks available, we cannot meet all of the regions needs for Metrorail, Clarke said. Its simple math. As we seek crowding solutions, support increasing ridership, and work to extend service, the equation of doing more with less no longer works, and we must ramp up the 7K trains which have operated safely without us putting a train in service that didnt meet our industry-leading safety requirements.
Metro remains committed to safely returning all 748 railcars to passenger service and believes its 7000-series railcars are the safest, most reliable trains available to move customers throughout the region.

Metro encourages customers to sign up for MetroAlerts text or e-mail messages to receive updated service information or follow us on Twitter @wmata, @Metrorailinfo, and @Metrobusinfo. To reach the customer service center, call 202-637-7000 or use the chat feature at wmata.com.
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SandBoxJohn, you've had some really good insights on the inner workings of Metro. Who do you think is more at fault here?

Everybody else, this writeup by WAMU's Jordan Pascale does a good job of providing context for this mess. I appreciated this context in particular:

Meanwhile, some riders have pointed out that cars and roads, which were responsible for 300 deaths in the region in the last year, would never get the same scrutiny as the derailment that resulted in zero injuries.
Separately: Metro has posted sample travel times to the IAD station:
• Ashburn: 10 minutes
• Wiehle-Reston East: 12 minutes
• Clarendon: 39 minutes
• Rosslyn: 45 minutes
• Metro Center: 53 minutes
• Pentagon: 56 minutes
• L'Enfant Plaza: 58 minutes
• National Airport: 62 minutes
• Mt. Vernon Square: 66 minutes

And new fare tables are starting to appear in stations. The one I saw at Clarendon today, pictured below, lists a peak fare of $6, off-peak of $3.85 (except that on weekends it's now a $2 flat fare systemwide). At peak, that's pricier than CTA to ORD but at least a third less than BART to SFO and under half the fare for NJ Transit to EWR. So I would very very much like to see this line put into revenue service already.

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