The Future of Dulles Airport [and Metro line]
#181
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part of the current discussion involves swapping out the 50 passenger planes with 100's, or maybe even the 737 maxxie, which will seat 215.(maybe for VI, PR, and bermuda). auto traffic is not a big problem, but the last i heard, only 43 slots per hour, and all are filled.
maybe someone will start flying lhr, after a us customs station is installed.would leave at 1am, and arrive london at around 1300 or 1400.
there are plenty of slots from 1am to 6am. maybe someone will start filling those.
maybe someone will start flying lhr, after a us customs station is installed.would leave at 1am, and arrive london at around 1300 or 1400.
there are plenty of slots from 1am to 6am. maybe someone will start filling those.
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part of the current discussion involves swapping out the 50 passenger planes with 100's, or maybe even the 737 maxxie, which will seat 215.(maybe for VI, PR, and bermuda). auto traffic is not a big problem, but the last i heard, only 43 slots per hour, and all are filled.
maybe someone will start flying lhr, after a us customs station is installed.would leave at 1am, and arrive london at around 1300 or 1400.
there are plenty of slots from 1am to 6am. maybe someone will start filling those.
maybe someone will start flying lhr, after a us customs station is installed.would leave at 1am, and arrive london at around 1300 or 1400.
there are plenty of slots from 1am to 6am. maybe someone will start filling those.
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#184
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Front-page Washington Post article today has MWAA fretting about the decline of Dulles, and mostly blaming Congress for DCA perimeter exemptions that cost IAD traffic:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...b67_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...b67_story.html
MWAA should not be lobbying for continued artificial restrictions to DCA operations - they should be working to vastly improve the Dulles experience so paying customers actually choose to use the airport!
Ideally, MWAA should auction every landing slot at DCA and IAD. The end result would be that landing slots at DCA would be much more expensive than IAD. That additional expense would be passed on to the individual passengers. The mark-up for DCA would then reach the balance point between a more costly but convenient DCA and a cheaper, but less convenient IAD.
In fact MWAA has announced a significant $1-billion+ expansion of DCA which will add numerous gates north of Concourse C and superimpose a central security checkpoint to cope with growth. Nothing analogous is in the cards for IAD because there's no demand (er, "market") for it.
Oh, it absolutely is manipulated via regulation. The only question is whether, if there was a free market, DCA would keep its prices low, when it could raise them. I posit that it would raise them. Whatever the market will bear, and in this case, it seems like a lot.
I don't think that low cost carriers like Southwest and Jetblue (who recently acquired the DOT-forced AA/US slot divestiture) - or the DOT for that matter - would be too happy with any additional artificial costs to operate out of DCA just to make IAD look more attractive. Again, how 'bout MWAA focus on improving the Dulles experience rather than sticking it to airlines and paying customers who use National?
You don't have PreCheck?? It has never taken me more than 2 minutes to clear security and walk to my gate with PreCheck. Can't quite say the same about Dulles...
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My understanding is that the DCA expansion won't result in any additional gate capacity. It will simply link all 3 piers in the B/C terminal inside security and will replace gate 35X and the shuttle buses with a new commuter terminal serving the same number of RJs that operate out of the Commuter World ramp today. These are very welcome improvements but I do not believe they will result in additional operational capacity.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...uction-at-dca/
Originally Posted by flyer703
I don't think that low cost carriers like Southwest and Jetblue (who recently acquired the DOT-forced AA/US slot divestiture) - or the DOT for that matter - would be too happy with any additional artificial costs to operate out of DCA just to make IAD look more attractive. Again, how 'bout MWAA focus on improving the Dulles experience rather than sticking it to airlines and paying customers who use National?
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We all know what the problem is - Dulles sucks. Unless you live in Herndon or are flying internationally or on a transcon that is artificially-restricted at DCA, you aren't going to want to use it.
MWAA should not be lobbying for continued artificial restrictions to DCA operations - they should be working to vastly improve the Dulles experience so paying customers actually choose to use the airport!
MWAA should not be lobbying for continued artificial restrictions to DCA operations - they should be working to vastly improve the Dulles experience so paying customers actually choose to use the airport!
IAD is not slot-controlled. Only DCA is. You have to buy slots - either from another carrier or new ones that Congress authorizes, with DOT approval - to operate out of DCA. So what you want is basically already in place today. Perhaps what you're advocating is higher landing fees?
The perimeter rule likely springs from a couple of different sources - a) the thought that if you are already flying 5 hours to SFO, an extra half hour to get to Dulles is just a 10% increase of total travel time versus almost a 100% increase if you are flying to LGA and; b) the perception that long-haul planes are louder and more disruptive to the congested area around the airport. While a) still holds, b) is no longer true.
I don't think that low cost carriers like Southwest and Jetblue (who recently acquired the DOT-forced AA/US slot divestiture) - or the DOT for that matter - would be too happy with any additional artificial costs to operate out of DCA just to make IAD look more attractive. Again, how 'bout MWAA focus on improving the Dulles experience rather than sticking it to airlines and paying customers who use National?
I don't have PreCheck, partially because I object to paying the government for a something which saves them money, and partially because I tend to take longer trips outside the US where PreCheck adds no value. My objection isn't the wait at DCA, it is the security design which makes it a pain to get through the process.
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Do you think any business owner is really worried whether someone thinks a product is expensive? What they worry about is if they price something at a point where the customer is no longer willing to pay for it. Otherwise, businesses would just give everything away at cost. Demand for DCA's services is relatively inelastic. Most people will pay a premium to fly out of DCA. If they are willing to pay it, I see no reason for MWAA not to collect that premium and use it to the benefit of the broader community it serves (and impinges upon). One way to use it is to improve the facilities at Dulles so that people in the Washington area have more good choices rather than less.
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The perimeter rule likely springs from a couple of different sources - a) the thought that if you are already flying 5 hours to SFO, an extra half hour to get to Dulles is just a 10% increase of total travel time versus almost a 100% increase if you are flying to LGA and; b) the perception that long-haul planes are louder and more disruptive to the congested area around the airport. While a) still holds, b) is no longer true.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but that is completely opposite from the stated goals of the DOT - who controls who gets the slots. They have pushed for years to get LCCs into DCA to reduce fares - and they have largely succeeded.
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Great point. The best impetus for change at IAD would be not more artificial shackles on DCA, but the removal of what shackles there are. Level the playing field.
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The only current rational justification (which I understand but do not agree with) is to drive more flights/passengers to IAD. I really hope that the new Congress finally eliminates the PR altogether in next year's FAA re-authorization. This is probably MWAA's worst nightmare, but it would really force them to focus on fixing the systemic problems at IAD.
what's a PR?.
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Where do you get this notion?? Airlines come and go at DCA. Slots frequently change hands. Surely you're familiar with the recent slot turnover from AA/US to WN, B6, and VX. The acquiring carriers had to compete to get these slots and paid a significant cost to get them; to your point about being more expensive to operate out of DCA - it already is!
The only current rational justification (which I understand but do not agree with) is to drive more flights/passengers to IAD. I really hope that the new Congress finally eliminates the PR altogether in next year's FAA re-authorization. This is probably MWAA's worst nightmare, but it would really force them to focus on fixing the systemic problems at IAD.
The slots should not be controlled only by the DOT but also by the owners of the airport - the MWAA. If LCCs can pay the higher prices, even while maintaining lower fares, more power to them.
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Dulles Corridor Metrorail Project, Pictures 01 10 2015
Nothing has begun at the sites of any of the stations, however lanes along the Dulles Access Road are being shifted in area of the Innovation station. Grading has begun in the area of Sulley Road VA-28 and preparations are being made for the construction of the bridge over Horse Pin Run west of Sulley Road. Visible construction continues to be mostly confined to Dulles Airport property.
All of the columns that have come out of the ground south of Rudder Road and along Airfreight Lane are done, there are roughly 5 at the south end just north of Aviation Drive that have not been started.
All but hand full of the columns along Autopilot Drive are done. The columns in the median of Autopilot Drive north of Rudder Road has not come out of the ground yet.
Things have begun north of Materials Road on both the mainline and the yard leads. The mainline columns have come out of the ground to the Dulles Greenway. East and west yard lead columns are mostly rebar cages sticking out of the ground. Construction of the mainline and west yard lead columns in the Dulles Greenway right of way have not begun.
Test track and Commissioning Facility
The contractor is getting close to prepping the roadbed for ties south of Greenbelt Road. The rail that was staged in the south park and ride lot at the Greenbelt station has been moved to various locations along the test track right of way.
Pictures at picasaweb.google.com/cambronj DCMP 10 13 1014.
Pictures at picasaweb.google.com/cambronj Greenbelt Test Track and Commissioning Facility.
This and previous posts in this series can be seen at cambronj.blogspot.com.
Nothing has begun at the sites of any of the stations, however lanes along the Dulles Access Road are being shifted in area of the Innovation station. Grading has begun in the area of Sulley Road VA-28 and preparations are being made for the construction of the bridge over Horse Pin Run west of Sulley Road. Visible construction continues to be mostly confined to Dulles Airport property.
All of the columns that have come out of the ground south of Rudder Road and along Airfreight Lane are done, there are roughly 5 at the south end just north of Aviation Drive that have not been started.
All but hand full of the columns along Autopilot Drive are done. The columns in the median of Autopilot Drive north of Rudder Road has not come out of the ground yet.
Things have begun north of Materials Road on both the mainline and the yard leads. The mainline columns have come out of the ground to the Dulles Greenway. East and west yard lead columns are mostly rebar cages sticking out of the ground. Construction of the mainline and west yard lead columns in the Dulles Greenway right of way have not begun.
Test track and Commissioning Facility
The contractor is getting close to prepping the roadbed for ties south of Greenbelt Road. The rail that was staged in the south park and ride lot at the Greenbelt station has been moved to various locations along the test track right of way.
Pictures at picasaweb.google.com/cambronj DCMP 10 13 1014.
Pictures at picasaweb.google.com/cambronj Greenbelt Test Track and Commissioning Facility.
This and previous posts in this series can be seen at cambronj.blogspot.com.
Last edited by SandBoxJohn; Jan 11, 2015 at 8:54 am
#195
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What's holding up the 981 bus?
Friday night, I let myself think that taking a 981 bus about to depart from IAD would be a better call than waiting 15 minutes for the next Silver Line Express. Wrong, again. The bus ran no faster than scheduled, something the driver assured by waiting 5 minutes or so at the Herndon-Monroe bus station without saying why (on an earlier run, the driver did the unexplained-sit-around-and-wait thing for even longer at Reston Town Center), and so I got to the Wiehle Metro stop just in time to watch the Silver Line pulling away.
So I decided to break down the 981/983 schedule myself to see where the hold-up might be. And the problem seems to be that regardless of the time of day, this bus is timed to take 13 minutes to get from IAD to Herndon-Monroe, then 12 minutes to go from there to the Reston Town Center transit station.
Google Maps, meanwhile, says that first leg only takes seven minutes by car (meanwhile, the WMATA 5A clocks in at 9 to 11 minutes between those points) and the second only six. Only the last leg, from Reston to Wiehle Metro, do the 981 and 983 schedules match up with Google's drive-time estimates.
What about the new 981/983 schedule effective Jan. 24, you ask? It's worse: The total travel time between IAD and the Wiehle Metro will increase from 32 to 34 minutes. Most of that seems to be due to time added between Reston Town Center and Metro.
Look, I've never worked on or run a bus system in my life, so I must be missing some finer points here. But does the scheduling have to be tuned to worst-case traffic all the time?
I won't miss this bus any more than the 5A when Metro gets all the way to IAD, that's for sure.
So I decided to break down the 981/983 schedule myself to see where the hold-up might be. And the problem seems to be that regardless of the time of day, this bus is timed to take 13 minutes to get from IAD to Herndon-Monroe, then 12 minutes to go from there to the Reston Town Center transit station.
Google Maps, meanwhile, says that first leg only takes seven minutes by car (meanwhile, the WMATA 5A clocks in at 9 to 11 minutes between those points) and the second only six. Only the last leg, from Reston to Wiehle Metro, do the 981 and 983 schedules match up with Google's drive-time estimates.
What about the new 981/983 schedule effective Jan. 24, you ask? It's worse: The total travel time between IAD and the Wiehle Metro will increase from 32 to 34 minutes. Most of that seems to be due to time added between Reston Town Center and Metro.
Look, I've never worked on or run a bus system in my life, so I must be missing some finer points here. But does the scheduling have to be tuned to worst-case traffic all the time?
I won't miss this bus any more than the 5A when Metro gets all the way to IAD, that's for sure.