Travel Package - Class Action?
#1
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Travel Package - Class Action?
For those of you that were harmed by damages from the travel package conversion; could you please post:
a) estimated value
b) what you were told by Marriott phone representatives
c) interest in being a lead plaintiff (typically $10k-$50k in "incentive payment")
d) what seems like a fair solution
a) estimated value
b) what you were told by Marriott phone representatives
c) interest in being a lead plaintiff (typically $10k-$50k in "incentive payment")
d) what seems like a fair solution
#2
Moderator: Alaska Mileage Plan
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Knock yourself out, but there are some contractual terms in Marriott's favor.
Modification. The Operators may change these Terms and Conditions at any time, for any reason and without notice.
Limitation of Liability. IN NO EVENT WILL AN OPERATOR, ANY SPG PARTICIPATING HOTEL OR ANY HOTEL PARTICIPATING IN THE REWARDS PROGRAMS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, PUNITIVE, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OF ANY KIND, WHETHER BASED IN CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, WHICH ARISE OUT OF OR ARE IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH THE BENEFITS PROVIDED PURSUANT TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OR THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS.
Choice of Law and Venue. Any disputes arising out of or related to the benefits provided pursuant to these Terms and Conditions or these Terms and Conditions will be handled individually without any class action, and will be governed by, construed and enforced in accordance with the laws of the State of New York, United States, without regard to its conflicts of law rules. The exclusive jurisdiction for any claim or action arising out of or relating to these Terms and Conditions may be filed only in the state or federal courts located in the State of New York, United States.
Limitation of Liability. IN NO EVENT WILL AN OPERATOR, ANY SPG PARTICIPATING HOTEL OR ANY HOTEL PARTICIPATING IN THE REWARDS PROGRAMS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, PUNITIVE, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OF ANY KIND, WHETHER BASED IN CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, WHICH ARISE OUT OF OR ARE IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH THE BENEFITS PROVIDED PURSUANT TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OR THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS.
Choice of Law and Venue. Any disputes arising out of or related to the benefits provided pursuant to these Terms and Conditions or these Terms and Conditions will be handled individually without any class action, and will be governed by, construed and enforced in accordance with the laws of the State of New York, United States, without regard to its conflicts of law rules. The exclusive jurisdiction for any claim or action arising out of or relating to these Terms and Conditions may be filed only in the state or federal courts located in the State of New York, United States.
#3
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Almost every consumer facing company has similar boilerplate terms, many courts have found them not enforceable when they contradict other consumer protection laws and/or involve fradulent misrepresentation /inducement.
As you know you can’t contractually waive certain rights nor can you immunize against illegal behavior, particularly in a one-way T&C form.
As you know you can’t contractually waive certain rights nor can you immunize against illegal behavior, particularly in a one-way T&C form.
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#4
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The message board-lawyering may continue.
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Almost every consumer facing company has similar boilerplate terms, many courts have found them not enforceable when they contradict other consumer protection laws and/or involve fradulent misrepresentation /inducement.
Not sure where you got your JD but as you know you can’t contractually waive certain rights nor can you immunize against illegal behavior, particularly in a one-way T&C form.
Not sure where you got your JD but as you know you can’t contractually waive certain rights nor can you immunize against illegal behavior, particularly in a one-way T&C form.
But by all means, go for the lead plaintiff position yourself if you feel so strongly about it...
#6
Join Date: Apr 2004
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So is this a real lawyer that is openly soliciting on FT to start a class action suit?
I read the last few pages on this in the Marriott forum. Some people were saying that they thought after the conversion that they could have gotten the certificate for 30K points less or something like that. Why can't they just cancel the certificate and have Marriott issue them a new one? Why does this necessitate a class action lawsuit? 30K points is valued at about $300 isn't it?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I really don't know why this justifies a class action. Marriott devalues points all the time at different hotels. It sounds like in some cases they did that again here. I don't understand why this time is different.
I read the last few pages on this in the Marriott forum. Some people were saying that they thought after the conversion that they could have gotten the certificate for 30K points less or something like that. Why can't they just cancel the certificate and have Marriott issue them a new one? Why does this necessitate a class action lawsuit? 30K points is valued at about $300 isn't it?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I really don't know why this justifies a class action. Marriott devalues points all the time at different hotels. It sounds like in some cases they did that again here. I don't understand why this time is different.
#7
So is this a real lawyer that is openly soliciting on FT to start a class action suit?
I read the last few pages on this in the Marriott forum. Some people were saying that they thought after the conversion that they could have gotten the certificate for 30K points less or something like that. Why can't they just cancel the certificate and have Marriott issue them a new one? Why does this necessitate a class action lawsuit? 30K points is valued at about $300 isn't it?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I really don't know why this justifies a class action. Marriott devalues points all the time at different hotels. It sounds like in some cases they did that again here. I don't understand why this time is different.
I read the last few pages on this in the Marriott forum. Some people were saying that they thought after the conversion that they could have gotten the certificate for 30K points less or something like that. Why can't they just cancel the certificate and have Marriott issue them a new one? Why does this necessitate a class action lawsuit? 30K points is valued at about $300 isn't it?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I really don't know why this justifies a class action. Marriott devalues points all the time at different hotels. It sounds like in some cases they did that again here. I don't understand why this time is different.
#8
Join Date: Nov 2015
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For those of you that were harmed by damages from the travel package conversion; could you please post:
a) estimated value
b) what you were told by Marriott phone representatives
c) interest in being a lead plaintiff (typically $10k-$50k in "incentive payment")
d) what seems like a fair solution
a) estimated value
b) what you were told by Marriott phone representatives
c) interest in being a lead plaintiff (typically $10k-$50k in "incentive payment")
d) what seems like a fair solution
#10
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
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Everyone wasn’t gambling with the travel packages.
We can blame Marriott or ourselves or the bloggers or each and every FT posters.
Yet, this was always going to be the outcome: some happy and some mad.
Welcome to the Loyalty Game.
Plus, if you feel lied to or played, best to choose another hotel chain and hope for better treatment (which likely you won’t get at some point).
We can blame Marriott or ourselves or the bloggers or each and every FT posters.
Yet, this was always going to be the outcome: some happy and some mad.
Welcome to the Loyalty Game.
Plus, if you feel lied to or played, best to choose another hotel chain and hope for better treatment (which likely you won’t get at some point).
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Marriott plays in an international playground, and that means class action and other litigation possibilities in the US aren’t its only potential legal exposure from this game of Marriott’s making.
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It's only in the US where corporations are given free right to do whatever they write in their terms and conditions. In countries that still care to balance the right of individuals vs corporations, as in the EU countries, there many laws set to assert individual rights against arbitrary corporate actions.and trump the terms and conditions.
#13
Join Date: Oct 2017
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It's only in the US where corporations are given free right to do whatever they write in their terms and conditions. In countries that still care to balance the right of individuals vs corporations, as in the EU countries, there many laws set to assert individual rights against arbitrary corporate actions.and trump the terms and conditions.
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It's only in the US where corporations are given free right to do whatever they write in their terms and conditions. In countries that still care to balance the right of individuals vs corporations, as in the EU countries, there many laws set to assert individual rights against arbitrary corporate actions.and trump the terms and conditions.
While the EU is more consumer friendly in ways than the US, the compensatory and punitive damage amounts in the EU tend to be a joke in the overall picture of things. There are exceptions, of course.
Marriott acts as a travel agent of sorts in the EU when selling travel packages using Marriott points, and that does open some avenues of legal challenge to Marriott moves.
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https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/rewa...rriott-points/
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/09/sep...ly-valuations/