CJKatl

Most of us understood it through reading before the first clarification. The few who didn't understood it after the second clarification. Nobody else thought the Lurker was half-baked. You hurled personal insults at me then while not providing any facts, just like now. You were wrong.

UA-NYC

The Lurker wasn't half baked, the answer supplied to him (that didn't really answer the question, as many called out) was

But keep obfuscating from the issue at hand here...

CJKatl

You keep stating that assumption as though it is fact. For Silver, Gold and Plat the T&Cs clearly state that fact. It says nothing of the sort for LTPP. Are we supposed to believe your assumption or should we wait for Marriott to state this for PP like they did for the other levels? Or are the words magically written in invisible ink?

Someone wake me up when something is cited from Marriott.

CCIE_Flyer

swag

CJKatl, will you put your money where your mouth is?

If it turns out that LTPP gets no benefits beyond what annually-earned Platinums get, I'll donate $50 to a charity of your choice.

If it turns out that LTPP gets Platinum Premier benefits (except SNAs or others explicitly noted as 75 night benefits), then you donate $50 to my charity.

Is it a bet?

ellinj

I don't quite understand what this means, I have

7 years of Silver, Gold or Platinum
2 years of Gold or Patinum
1 Year as platinum

why the 3 lines, which one is used for lifetime platinum? I am at 595 nights and the app indicates LT Silver.

phltraveler

1) Porting website cares more about status, potentially mistaken given the renames of gold -> plat and plat -> plat Premier from Legacy MR, and that anyone mistaken on the plat side will still have lounge + breakfast reducing the pain significantly (plus, still earn at 50% points earn). Puts LTPPs down the list of immediate merger priorities on bugfixes lower, imminently, than other IT issues.

2) The marketing materials on the new program referencing LTS/LTG/LTP under new criteria heavily is not a huge surprise when 98%+ of the program will qualify under these paramters. The merged program missing the explicit description that most people who could earn (bearing in mind that LTPP is not achievable after 2018) is not entirely surprising.

3) The T&C having issues when it has had the same issues in the leak (e.g. the ambassador benefit problem) is an example of how Marriott is not in total control.

Without asking @CJKatl to up the ante or respond, I will donate $50 personally to the charity of my choice if @CJKatl 's interpretation is correct that LTPP offers no benefits over current PP. This disclaims all published differences pre-merger, namely that the 50/75 awards were conditional on current status, and mainly pertains to the bonus points over base on plat50 and 48 hour guarantee.

If I'm wrong - may a worthy cause benefit.

I don't want this to be a "put up or shut up" debate. I believe @CJKatl has been correct in eyeing many things in this merger warily and warning people appropriately. Including over the "rewarding events" debate and reminding many of us to be open to different interpretations.

In this specific case though - I don't see any imaginable event under which Marriott would invent an LTPP status and then restrict the benefits to match the current P.

phltraveler

Under the new program, you make
Yr silver: 10 nights (credit card exceeds)
Yr Gold: 25 nights (15 credit card nights + 10 stay nights)
Yr Plat: 50 nights (15 credit card nights + 35 stay nights)

If trying to qualify for lifetime, you need a certain number of total nights, plus years at status.

If you had years like this:
15 nights,15 nights, 15 nights, 15 nights
25 nights, 25 nights
50 nights

Then you would have
4 years at silver
2 nights at Gold
1 night at Platinum
Under new MR

If you counted them as above

7 years at S, G, or P (15 + 15 + 15 + 15 = 4S, 25+ 25 = 2G, 50 = 1 yr at P, 4+2+1=7yr at S or higher)
3 yrs at G or P ( 25 + 25 = 2yrs at G, 50 = 1 yr at P, 2 + 1 = 3 yrs G or higher)
1 yr at P (50 = 1 yr at P, 1 yr at P or higher).

The new criteria counts years at status. Under past criteria, I'm old MR LTP/LTPP (75 nights).
Under new criteria, I wouldn't meet new LTG (I fall short on the 6 yrs of gold or higher requirement).

CCIE_Flyer

opharbour2

Like everyone else, I'm extremely confused. My situation is that prior to the merger I was 43,000 points shy of reaching Lifetime Gold Status (I have 523 nights) and my understanding is that lifetime gold under the old platform would become lifetime platinum under the new merged program.. I have not agreed to merge any accounts to my knowledge. Is is still true that I will still have until 12/31/18 to earn the remaining 43,000 points?

ellinj

CCIE_Flyer

Yeah, I don't get the sense that this is dialed in yet from a technology perspective, and all of our counts may yet change multiple times in coming days and weeks. I honestly have no idea if my current count is correct or not - and secretly fear it may yet drop to something short of LTPP (due mostly to some soft landing years in the mix that may or may not stick in the final tally).

MR IT may well have seen this coming, and hence the bit about "we'll notify you in Jan '19 about something that seemingly should've been basic computer science back in August '18."

GMoneyCO

Correct, you have until 12/31/2018 to earn the 43,000 points and qualify for Lifetime Gold under the old rules. Provided you tag your Starwood property stays to your existing Marriott number going forward, you should get lifetime point credit for stays at Starwood properties.

AirMiles2001

I wouldn't look at your account, yet. I have logged in a few times over the weekend and it is ever changing. I am planning to wait until the end of the week before I start to worry about anything. They have a bunch of changes to make and some will go wrong, and then people will call it in and they will fix it for many.

SkiAdcock

This

This.