Paris riots and non-refundable stays
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I am actually based in Paris at the moment and as i’m not in the 8th district despite being in the centre of the city (4th) there has been no visible sign of the protests apart from watching local tv. For the time being at least one can think of this as an 8th district Saturdays problem.
There’s a good chance that whatever happens in the next few hours will tell you if things are actually escalating in a way which raises concerns about 3 weeks from now.
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For a resident, disruptions in one part of the city or the closure of certain attractions for short period of time isn't something to be overly concerned about. Although I wouldn't be at all concerned for my family's safety in Paris, that doesn't mean that if this was the only time I planned to visit that I wouldn't prefer to wait until after the current protests subside. Even if what his wife is afraid of isn't something that many of us would be concerned about, that doesn't mean that a spouse shouldn't respect those feelings. My suggestion would be to contact providers to see what it would cost to reschedule the trip for a later time. Civil unrest is not normally covered by travel insurance.
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I agree with what so many others are saying: it almost certainly will be fine to stay in Paris over the holidays. The protests are limited to a very small area in the city, so I don’t think there is any real risk of actual danger to the OP and his family. If the protests continue, which isn’t likely for 3 weeks, the chance that a few tourist spots may be closed is certainly not enough to convince me to not visit nor to allow one to get out of a non-refundable hotel stay.
It’s not a lot different than if there were a not unlikely work stoppage due to yet another union strike in Paris, actually. A little annoying to us as travelers and visitors, but usually not that big a deal.
It’s not a lot different than if there were a not unlikely work stoppage due to yet another union strike in Paris, actually. A little annoying to us as travelers and visitors, but usually not that big a deal.
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I agree with what so many others are saying: it almost certainly will be fine to stay in Paris over the holidays. The protests are limited to a very small area in the city, so I don’t think there is any real risk of actual danger to the OP and his family. If the protests continue, which isn’t likely for 3 weeks, the chance that a few tourist spots may be closed is certainly not enough to convince me to not visit nor to allow one to get out of a non-refundable hotel stay.
It’s not a lot different than if there were a not unlikely work stoppage due to yet another union strike in Paris, actually. A little annoying to us as travelers and visitors, but usually not that big a deal.
It’s not a lot different than if there were a not unlikely work stoppage due to yet another union strike in Paris, actually. A little annoying to us as travelers and visitors, but usually not that big a deal.
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France isn’t a socialist nation. It’s more commonly referred to a Democratic Socialist nation—with an economy mixing capitalism with significant (socialist) regulations on those capitalistic markets. Much like most of Western Europe, and especially the Northern/Scandinavian European countries.
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Outside of the US, nobody would call France either a socialist or democratic socialist country as it has nothing in common with countries which actually are socialist or which are governed by socialist parties. Also, outside the US nobody else thinks market regulations are socialist (in fact, they’re usually seen as the opposite - socialism doesn’t regulate markets as it intervenes directly).
Democratic socialism generally refers to something more like Venezuela, which the internationalist market-led mixed economy of France really has nothing in common with.
As with a recent thread which shall remain nameless I of course have no issue with US vocabulary and use it for many things myself, but i’d suggest more cultural awareness when labelling others with terms they wouldn’t recognise.
Democratic socialism generally refers to something more like Venezuela, which the internationalist market-led mixed economy of France really has nothing in common with.
As with a recent thread which shall remain nameless I of course have no issue with US vocabulary and use it for many things myself, but i’d suggest more cultural awareness when labelling others with terms they wouldn’t recognise.
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Consider that your "insurance payment" for future hotel reservations... Safer than relying on travel insurance that won't pay out unless the hotel closes or formal govt advice is given against travelling to Paris. (won't happen)
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Outside of the US, nobody would call France either a socialist or democratic socialist country as it has nothing in common with countries which actually are socialist or which are governed by socialist parties. Also, outside the US nobody else thinks market regulations are socialist (in fact, they’re usually seen as the opposite - socialism doesn’t regulate markets as it intervenes directly).
Democratic socialism generally refers to something more like Venezuela, which the internationalist market-led mixed economy of France really has nothing in common with.
As with a recent thread which shall remain nameless I of course have no issue with US vocabulary and use it for many things myself, but i’d suggest more cultural awareness when labelling others with terms they wouldn’t recognise.
Democratic socialism generally refers to something more like Venezuela, which the internationalist market-led mixed economy of France really has nothing in common with.
As with a recent thread which shall remain nameless I of course have no issue with US vocabulary and use it for many things myself, but i’d suggest more cultural awareness when labelling others with terms they wouldn’t recognise.
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We’re obviously getting massively off thread here, but capitalism is an economic system whereas socialism is a political one. As a member of the European Union France is subject to the same open capital system, limited govt intervention and fair competition rules as everyone else.
It’s like asking if a Christmas tree is more plant, decoration or green.
It’s like asking if a Christmas tree is more plant, decoration or green.
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While I realize that the majority of Paris is not affected by the protests, as a tourist, a lot of the sites I would want to visit are closed. Maybe that is one of the things the OP is referring to as well. My guess is that this was done on purpose by the protesters to increase pressure on leaders in France.
The closure of major tourist attractions in Paris could definitely affect a vacation. I went to Berlin a couple of years ago, and planned day trips via train to Potsdam and Poland. Then when I got there, there was a Deutsche Bahn strike. While I appreciate there were bigger issues at stake for the locals, it was a big disappointment to me. The train I was going to take from Amsterdam to Berlin was cancelled, I had to buy a last minute flight at top prices, and I wasn't able to go to Poland.
The closure of major tourist attractions in Paris could definitely affect a vacation. I went to Berlin a couple of years ago, and planned day trips via train to Potsdam and Poland. Then when I got there, there was a Deutsche Bahn strike. While I appreciate there were bigger issues at stake for the locals, it was a big disappointment to me. The train I was going to take from Amsterdam to Berlin was cancelled, I had to buy a last minute flight at top prices, and I wasn't able to go to Poland.
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Outside of the US, nobody would call France either a socialist or democratic socialist country as it has nothing in common with countries which actually are socialist or which are governed by socialist parties. Also, outside the US nobody else thinks market regulations are socialist (in fact, they’re usually seen as the opposite - socialism doesn’t regulate markets as it intervenes directly).
Democratic socialism generally refers to something more like Venezuela, which the internationalist market-led mixed economy of France really has nothing in common with.
As with a recent thread which shall remain nameless I of course have no issue with US vocabulary and use it for many things myself, but i’d suggest more cultural awareness when labelling others with terms they wouldn’t recognise.
Democratic socialism generally refers to something more like Venezuela, which the internationalist market-led mixed economy of France really has nothing in common with.
As with a recent thread which shall remain nameless I of course have no issue with US vocabulary and use it for many things myself, but i’d suggest more cultural awareness when labelling others with terms they wouldn’t recognise.
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While I realize that the majority of Paris is not affected by the protests, as a tourist, a lot of the sites I would want to visit are closed. Maybe that is one of the things the OP is referring to as well. My guess is that this was done on purpose by the protesters to increase pressure on leaders in France.
The closure of major tourist attractions in Paris could definitely affect a vacation. .
The closure of major tourist attractions in Paris could definitely affect a vacation. .
The list of closures in Paris is actually quite extensive:
Aquarium tropical de la Porte Dorée
Arc de Triomphe
Basilique cathédrale de Saint-Denis
Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris
Cathédrale Saint-Louis des Invalides
Centre Pompidou
Chapelle expiatoire
Ch teau de Versailles
Ch teau de Vincennes
Cité de l'Architecture et du Patrimoine
Cité des Sciences et de l'Industrie
Conciergerie
Crypte archéologique de l’île de la Cité
Domaine national du Palais-royal
Fondation Louis Vuitton
Fondation Cartier Bresson
Fondation Cartier pour l’art contemporain
Hôtel National des Invalides
Hôtel de Sully
Institut du Monde Arabe
Jardin des Tuileries
Galeries Nationales du Grand Palais
Les Catacombes
Maison de Victor Hugo
Musée Cernuschi
Musée Cognacq-Jay
Musée d’Art moderne de la ville de Paris
Musée d’Art et d'Histoire du Judaïsme
Musée des Arts et Métiers
Musée d'Orsay
Musée de la Franc Maçonnerie
Musée de la Musique
Musée de l'Armée
Musée de l'Homme
Musée de l'Orangerie
Musée de l'Ordre de la Libération
Musée du Jeu de Paume
Musée du quai Branly – Jacques Chirac
Musée Eugène Delacroix
Musée Jacquemart-André
Musée du Louvre
Musée du Luxembourg
Musée du Parfum Fragonard
Musée des Plans-reliefs
Musée Marmottan Monet
Musée national des arts asiatiques Guimet
Musée national de l'Histoire de l'Immigration
Musée Nissim de Camondo
Musée Picasso Paris
Musée Rodin
Opéra Bastille
Palais de la Découverte
Palais Garnier
Palais de Tokyo
Panthéon
Pavillon de l'Arsenal
Petit Palais - Musée des Beaux-Arts de la ville de Paris
Sainte-Chapelle
Sèvres-Cité de la Céramique
Tombeau de Napoléon et Eglise du Dôme
Tour Eiffel
Tour Montparnasse
Tours de Notre-Dame de Paris
Zoo de Thoiry
Theatre
Accorhotels ArenaComédie Française - Salle Richelieu
Comédie Française - Studio-Thé tre
Comédie Française - Thé tre du Vieux-Colombier
Cité de la Musique
Crazy Horse
Grande halle de La Villette
L'Olympia
Lido de Paris
Maison de la Radio
Philharmonie de Paris
Salle Pleyel
Thé tre des Champs-Élysées
Thé tre de l'Odéon
Thé tre Marigny
Thé tre du Rond-Point
Restaurants
58 Tour EiffelRestaurants on the Avenue des Champs-Élysées and in the surroundings
Restaurants on the rue du Faubourg Saint-Honoré
Guided tours
Another Paris - Le petit train bleuBig Bus
City Sightseeing
Foxity
OpenTour
PARISCityVISION
Promotrain - Le Petit Train de Montmartre
Shopping
BHV MARAISBoutiques de l'avenue des Champs-Elysées
Boutiques de la rue du Faubourg Saint-Honoré
Le Bon Marché
Galeries Lafayette (Haussmann et Montparnasse)
Lafayette Maison Gourmet
Printemps
Events
Festival électro, Peacock Xmas PartyNoël des animaux
Festival électro INASOUND
And it isn't just the 8th:
Despite the police controls, some of the protection built by stores and offices were destroyed and several cars set ablaze, mainly in some of the wealthiest neighborhoods - the 16th and 17th arrondissements - as police played cat-and-mouse with small groups of violent protesters around those and other central areas. The protesters started as a peaceful movement against a proposed increase in gas and diesel and has unexpectedly grown into massive anti-government demonstrations expressing general anger and disillusionment with the government and the cost of living. It has turned violent from the participation of more aggressive activists and fringe elements known as “casseurs”(smashers and looters).
There are many of us on this board who have visited Paris frequently. We would be less likely to have our trip ruined because of random closures. But even Saturday closures will impact visits during the rest of the week. (everything will be much more crowded)
Many people I know make one trip to Paris ever. If the hotel is flexible at all OP may want to reschedule the trip if possible.
ITA with others here that this is the reason I never go for nonrefundable hotel rates. I too consider the premium my "insurance" against last minute cancellations.
I also agree with the Poster who praised OP for considering his wife's feelings. Whether her fears are valid or not, if she is nervous about the trip it also could impact their vacation.
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It might be useful to try to list some things that are apparently open. Fontainebleau and the department store in the 7th appear to be open, plus the mosque (in the 5th?), botanical gardens, Luxembourg gardens, the St Germain church (6th), rue Mouftard market, the mineral museum in Ecole des Mines (6th, very limited hours and IIRC closed on Saturday anyway), the pedestrian bridge (does it still have the locks of love?) near the Louvre, the cemeteries, the aviation museum near CDG,.....
I don't see Bateau Mouches and similar on the list, but they might not operate in the winter. Also, I think there are some outfits that organize walking tours of Paris not on the list of guided tours that aren't operating.
It also looks like public transportation to/from airports is operating.
I don't see Bateau Mouches and similar on the list, but they might not operate in the winter. Also, I think there are some outfits that organize walking tours of Paris not on the list of guided tours that aren't operating.
It also looks like public transportation to/from airports is operating.
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It might be useful to try to list some things that are apparently open. Fontainebleau and the department store in the 7th appear to be open, plus the mosque (in the 5th?), botanical gardens, Luxembourg gardens, the St Germain church (6th), rue Mouftard market, the mineral museum in Ecole des Mines (6th, very limited hours and IIRC closed on Saturday anyway), the pedestrian bridge (does it still have the locks of love?) near the Louvre, the cemeteries, the aviation museum near CDG,.....
I don't see Bateau Mouches and similar on the list, but they might not operate in the winter. Also, I think there are some outfits that organize walking tours of Paris not on the list of guided tours that aren't operating.
It also looks like public transportation to/from airports is operating.
I don't see Bateau Mouches and similar on the list, but they might not operate in the winter. Also, I think there are some outfits that organize walking tours of Paris not on the list of guided tours that aren't operating.
It also looks like public transportation to/from airports is operating.
Moulin Rouge ?
I don’t think they will give up the 💰