Marriott CEO Asks Unhappy Members To Hold Tight, Platform Is Stabilized
#511
Join Date: Feb 2018
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I guess the reason some people affected by this it issue and some is not is their priority.
For me, its not bothering me as I passed 100 nights and 20k spend already and nowhere near any lifetime status and not planning to use the point anytime soon. Even if my recent stays posted at the end of the year ... I wont be bothered.
But some people who ... say .... standing at 72 nights and just finished a 4 night stays and have another stays scheduled in 2 weeks time should be more worried if the stays and point is not credited within 10 days.
For me, its not bothering me as I passed 100 nights and 20k spend already and nowhere near any lifetime status and not planning to use the point anytime soon. Even if my recent stays posted at the end of the year ... I wont be bothered.
But some people who ... say .... standing at 72 nights and just finished a 4 night stays and have another stays scheduled in 2 weeks time should be more worried if the stays and point is not credited within 10 days.
#512
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This merger has shown me how much SPG did to make their best customers happy. As has been said stays are not posting and it takes more effort than it should to get them posted. Prior to the merger I always felt appreciated by the properties and CS. Now I feel like a CY or FI client. Starting to think that IHG and Choice treat their customers better. To me things are not stabilizing, but getting worse. Three months past the August 18 big roll out and no end in sight to the mess the great MR IT team created.. As a lifetime PPE, wondering if stays should be switched to Hilton and Hyatt. Sorensen needs to get out in the trenches and see how his customers are treated.
At this point, Marriott management has created such a big mess for its loyalty programs customers that maybe they are resigned to just doing patchwork, unstable as it may be, until the new program systems are up and running for data to be migrated to that instead?
#513
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Florida
Programs: AA LTG (EXP), Hilton Silver (Dia), Marriott LTP (PP), SPG LTG (P) > MPG LTPP
Posts: 11,329
The Marriott IT team did not create this mess. This mess was created by the top of the C-suites at Marriott HQ who wanted to push out the loyalty program devaluations as fast as possible and try to get the other cost-cutting measures in place sooner than later. The so-called IT mess for legacy and new Marriott Rewards program members is the direct result of the most senior management decisions possible at Marriott. The Marriott IT team is a casualty of a senior corporate management that thinks that the customers in the beds don't count for as much as before. Unfortunately, this is not unique to Marriott when it comes to the major lodging service companies.
#514
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: CT/ Germany - Ich spreche deutsch
Programs: UA 1K, Bonvoy LTTE, HH Dia, HY Expl
Posts: 4,653
This is getting so old! If the Marriott Management Team thinks there are no issues maybe they should try to make a simple reservation!
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Was trying to book a Marriott/Starwood property in Athens, Greece. Tried 3 times and went to Hilton site to book the very nice Hilton Athens! I just upgraded my HH Ascend to the Aspire and I will be out in 2019 as a LTPPE after years of loyalty to Starwood. Simple tasks are just too frustrating!
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Was trying to book a Marriott/Starwood property in Athens, Greece. Tried 3 times and went to Hilton site to book the very nice Hilton Athens! I just upgraded my HH Ascend to the Aspire and I will be out in 2019 as a LTPPE after years of loyalty to Starwood. Simple tasks are just too frustrating!
#515
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: COS
Programs: UA Gold/1.5MM (several years running now!), Marriott LTTE, Hertz Prez
Posts: 1,899
Originally Posted by christianj
Tried 3 times and went to Hilton site to book the very nice Hilton Athens!
Not so nice, actually.
#516
Join Date: Jan 2016
Programs: UA 1K, Marriott LTT & Ambassador, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 88
I haven't been able to view the "overview" section of my account for 3-4 days so I can't see my YTD spending. All I get is "General Error We are experiencing technical difficulties. Please try again."
#517
Join Date: Dec 2006
Programs: United 1K, *wood LT Plat
Posts: 825
This merger has shown me how much SPG did to make their best customers happy. As has been said stays are not posting and it takes more effort than it should to get them posted. Prior to the merger I always felt appreciated by the properties and CS. Now I feel like a CY or FI client. Starting to think that IHG and Choice treat their customers better. To me things are not stabilizing, but getting worse. Three months past the August 18 big roll out and no end in sight to the mess the great MR IT team created.. As a lifetime PPE, wondering if stays should be switched to Hilton and Hyatt. Sorensen needs to get out in the trenches and see how his customers are treated.
#518
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: PHX
Programs: AS 75K; UA 1MM; Hyatt Globalist; Marriott LTP; Hilton Diamond (Aspire)
Posts: 56,418
This will change next time the economy crashes and corporate event budgets are once again slashed.
#519
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Programs: SAS EBD, BA Gold, Bonvoy Titanium, Hertz PC, National Exec Elite
Posts: 553
As of Friday this week, for the first time since Aug 18, all my points, nights and future reservations are as they should be. A kind soul at [email protected] fixes all 3 remaining issues.
Since Aug 18th I’ve had 25-30 individual contacts with SPG to get issues corrected. This is way above normal, and some contacts have been be more frustrating than any I’ve had during my 10 years as SPG (now Lifetime) Platinum. I should note that this frustration has only been in contacts with SPG, I’ve not found any degradation in the treatment in legacy SPG hotels (apart from those induced by SPG like Green Choice and Welcome Gift).
On the other hand due to the new program I now hold award reservations for both StRegis Maldives and Al Maha Dubai for 2019, properties that would’ve have been far out of reach for my legacy SPG point earning levels living in a country with no SPG credit card and until 2018 no in-country SPG properties.
So if asked if the frustrations with the program has been worth it to harvest the benefits, I’m actually leaning towards a “Yes”. No that this has been a pretty process from a technical or communication perspective, but at this point in time for me, I think the benefits outweigh the problems.
Since Aug 18th I’ve had 25-30 individual contacts with SPG to get issues corrected. This is way above normal, and some contacts have been be more frustrating than any I’ve had during my 10 years as SPG (now Lifetime) Platinum. I should note that this frustration has only been in contacts with SPG, I’ve not found any degradation in the treatment in legacy SPG hotels (apart from those induced by SPG like Green Choice and Welcome Gift).
On the other hand due to the new program I now hold award reservations for both StRegis Maldives and Al Maha Dubai for 2019, properties that would’ve have been far out of reach for my legacy SPG point earning levels living in a country with no SPG credit card and until 2018 no in-country SPG properties.
So if asked if the frustrations with the program has been worth it to harvest the benefits, I’m actually leaning towards a “Yes”. No that this has been a pretty process from a technical or communication perspective, but at this point in time for me, I think the benefits outweigh the problems.
#520
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: La Jolla, CA
Programs: Marriott Ambassador, Lifetime Titanium, Delta Plat, Hilton Diamond , Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 2,615
“IT integration, while complex, has been poorly delivered. Attempts to apply suite night awards online with the new system have been futile. Simply updating award reservations to new and lower point pricing has required multiple calls, long wait times, and ultimately manual intervention. Website feel and access to property information makes the digital experience shockingly regressive compared to SPG.”
Excerpt from SKIFT Article
How’s Marriott’s Massive Loyalty Merger Going? We Asked 5 Starwood Members to Weigh In
https://skift.com/2018/11/19/h%E2%80...B-to-weigh-in/
For over 2 months now I cannot view my activity. No followup from Twitter Team or Support.
Excerpt from SKIFT Article
How’s Marriott’s Massive Loyalty Merger Going? We Asked 5 Starwood Members to Weigh In
https://skift.com/2018/11/19/h%E2%80...B-to-weigh-in/
For over 2 months now I cannot view my activity. No followup from Twitter Team or Support.
#521
Join Date: Jan 2005
Programs: SQ, QF, UA, CO, DL
Posts: 2,878
“IT integration, while complex, has been poorly delivered. Attempts to apply suite night awards online with the new system have been futile. Simply updating award reservations to new and lower point pricing has required multiple calls, long wait times, and ultimately manual intervention. Website feel and access to property information makes the digital experience shockingly regressive compared to SPG.”
Excerpt from SKIFT Article
How’s Marriott’s Massive Loyalty Merger Going? We Asked 5 Starwood Members to Weigh In
https://skift.com/2018/11/19/h%E2%80...B-to-weigh-in/
For over 2 months now I cannot view my activity. No followup from Twitter Team or Support.
Excerpt from SKIFT Article
How’s Marriott’s Massive Loyalty Merger Going? We Asked 5 Starwood Members to Weigh In
https://skift.com/2018/11/19/h%E2%80...B-to-weigh-in/
For over 2 months now I cannot view my activity. No followup from Twitter Team or Support.
#522
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: CT/ Germany - Ich spreche deutsch
Programs: UA 1K, Bonvoy LTTE, HH Dia, HY Expl
Posts: 4,653
I had another issue this past weekend that is really baffling.
Background.....have been trying to book the Santa Marina Mykonos for dates in June 2019 for the last couple of months. There has been absolutely NO dates loaded in the system every time I have checked for availability (either paid or award). I know the hotel loads the rates for next year relatively late but I have kept checking dates almost daily to no avail.
On the weekend SPG posted a picture of the resort on their FB page and said something about booking it. I commented that I would love to book it but there are no dates loaded. Suprisingly I got a messenger reply from SPG saying dates were indeed loaded for June 2019 and that they saw availability on certain dates. I immediately did another search and again NO dates at all available. Responded back to them saying I saw NO dates at all. They then sent me a link to look at available dates and the link did indeed show just a few dates in June 2019 that were available for award bookings (naturally not the dates I wanted).
This brings up the BIG issue for me....why would the SPG reps get different results when searching specific dates? Why did I not get anything when I search my specific dates and even when I clicked on the link to pull up the calendar that normally shows the entire month? Strange thing is that when I clicked on the "edit" tab on the link they sent me and did another search I again got NO AVAILABILITY!!!!
I just cannot understand what is going on over there! I'm just about fed up and all the 2019 hotel bookings that I have made so far have been with Hilton since I am sick of this crap!
Background.....have been trying to book the Santa Marina Mykonos for dates in June 2019 for the last couple of months. There has been absolutely NO dates loaded in the system every time I have checked for availability (either paid or award). I know the hotel loads the rates for next year relatively late but I have kept checking dates almost daily to no avail.
On the weekend SPG posted a picture of the resort on their FB page and said something about booking it. I commented that I would love to book it but there are no dates loaded. Suprisingly I got a messenger reply from SPG saying dates were indeed loaded for June 2019 and that they saw availability on certain dates. I immediately did another search and again NO dates at all available. Responded back to them saying I saw NO dates at all. They then sent me a link to look at available dates and the link did indeed show just a few dates in June 2019 that were available for award bookings (naturally not the dates I wanted).
This brings up the BIG issue for me....why would the SPG reps get different results when searching specific dates? Why did I not get anything when I search my specific dates and even when I clicked on the link to pull up the calendar that normally shows the entire month? Strange thing is that when I clicked on the "edit" tab on the link they sent me and did another search I again got NO AVAILABILITY!!!!
I just cannot understand what is going on over there! I'm just about fed up and all the 2019 hotel bookings that I have made so far have been with Hilton since I am sick of this crap!
#523
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Florida
Programs: AA LTG (EXP), Hilton Silver (Dia), Marriott LTP (PP), SPG LTG (P) > MPG LTPP
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I had another issue this past weekend that is really baffling.
Background.....have been trying to book the Santa Marina Mykonos for dates in June 2019 for the last couple of months. There has been absolutely NO dates loaded in the system every time I have checked for availability (either paid or award). I know the hotel loads the rates for next year relatively late but I have kept checking dates almost daily to no avail.
On the weekend SPG posted a picture of the resort on their FB page and said something about booking it. I commented that I would love to book it but there are no dates loaded. Suprisingly I got a messenger reply from SPG saying dates were indeed loaded for June 2019 and that they saw availability on certain dates. I immediately did another search and again NO dates at all available. Responded back to them saying I saw NO dates at all. They then sent me a link to look at available dates and the link did indeed show just a few dates in June 2019 that were available for award bookings (naturally not the dates I wanted).
This brings up the BIG issue for me....why would the SPG reps get different results when searching specific dates? Why did I not get anything when I search my specific dates and even when I clicked on the link to pull up the calendar that normally shows the entire month? Strange thing is that when I clicked on the "edit" tab on the link they sent me and did another search I again got NO AVAILABILITY!!!!
I just cannot understand what is going on over there! I'm just about fed up and all the 2019 hotel bookings that I have made so far have been with Hilton since I am sick of this crap!
Background.....have been trying to book the Santa Marina Mykonos for dates in June 2019 for the last couple of months. There has been absolutely NO dates loaded in the system every time I have checked for availability (either paid or award). I know the hotel loads the rates for next year relatively late but I have kept checking dates almost daily to no avail.
On the weekend SPG posted a picture of the resort on their FB page and said something about booking it. I commented that I would love to book it but there are no dates loaded. Suprisingly I got a messenger reply from SPG saying dates were indeed loaded for June 2019 and that they saw availability on certain dates. I immediately did another search and again NO dates at all available. Responded back to them saying I saw NO dates at all. They then sent me a link to look at available dates and the link did indeed show just a few dates in June 2019 that were available for award bookings (naturally not the dates I wanted).
This brings up the BIG issue for me....why would the SPG reps get different results when searching specific dates? Why did I not get anything when I search my specific dates and even when I clicked on the link to pull up the calendar that normally shows the entire month? Strange thing is that when I clicked on the "edit" tab on the link they sent me and did another search I again got NO AVAILABILITY!!!!
I just cannot understand what is going on over there! I'm just about fed up and all the 2019 hotel bookings that I have made so far have been with Hilton since I am sick of this crap!
#524
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Brooklyn
Programs: Delta Diamond, Bonvoy something good; sometimes other things too
Posts: 5,050
I don't know if this is happening for your selection, but some properties (especially popular locations) will apply an MLOS (minimum and/or maximum length of stay) to availability. So unless you pick the specific dates loaded then they show no availability. For example, the Sheraton SF Fisherman's Wharf has loaded rates that require Friday and Saturday arrivals must be at least two nights. So no one-night stays starting on Fridays or Saturdays. The Sheraton in New Orleans had rooms that couldn't be booked for more than three days preventing (or at least making it difficult to) book Fifth-Night-Free stays. The current Marriott.com booking engine leaves a lot to be desired and hopefully we will see major improvements soon, but the CSRs do have a more robust system and it's looking at the internal database that is different than what feeds Marriott.com. In the meantime, if you haven't already, try looking for single days and multiple day stays moving start date a day or two before/after what you want. Bookings are the lifeblood of hotels, you've got to believe they take loading inventory seriously.
“IT integration, while complex, has been poorly delivered. Attempts to apply suite night awards online with the new system have been futile. Simply updating award reservations to new and lower point pricing has required multiple calls, long wait times, and ultimately manual intervention. Website feel and access to property information makes the digital experience shockingly regressive compared to SPG.”
I am also perplexed as to why Marriott seems to have taken down most / all of the "independent" websites that many of the top SPG hotels used to run, which allowed the hotels to present themselves more clearly and comprehensively than the Marriott cookie-cutter format allows. For example the W Amsterdam still has its own domain name site, but now links to a Marriott.com-format site, whereas before it was a more unique site in the spirit of the property which better explained its unusual arrangement split across two buildings, etc. I hope Marriott lets some of those sites come back once the booking engine is stabilized, and I suspect it's strongly in their revenue interests to let some of these high-end hotels really market themselves properly.