Qualify for platinum with both programs in 2018?
Jul 17, 2018, 4:08 am
#16
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I hate to sound obtuse, but it is fair to say there is more than a little contradictory info in this thread.
So let me ask a simple question: I had over 75 nights with Marriott last year. I am close to 75 nights this year. Is there any benefit to my moving some stays to Marriott in order to hit the 75 nights before Aug. 1st?
So let me ask a simple question: I had over 75 nights with Marriott last year. I am close to 75 nights this year. Is there any benefit to my moving some stays to Marriott in order to hit the 75 nights before Aug. 1st?
Jul 17, 2018, 4:19 am
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So for now we're relying on the word on the SPG Lurker, which I am inclined to believe but have my legitimate concerns about the IT implementation of it.
Another data point about "what management says will happen will happen" (but won't). The debacle about promising SPG Golds Marriott Platinum through the end of the year...
Marriott online source please? Thanks.
Also, Marriott's website implementation had an impact on tracking legacy activity (lifetime points not showing online unless you knew how to access the "old" site) for past couple months (it just cleared up very recently). So I don't see how Marriott can promise their star IT department will track anything correctly in the future. "Intend to track", yes, "actually track", that requires functioning IT.
Also, Marriott's website implementation had an impact on tracking legacy activity (lifetime points not showing online unless you knew how to access the "old" site) for past couple months (it just cleared up very recently). So I don't see how Marriott can promise their star IT department will track anything correctly in the future. "Intend to track", yes, "actually track", that requires functioning IT.
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Jul 17, 2018, 5:51 am
#18
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As for the poster asking if there is any advantage to hitting 75 nights by Aug, NO. Even if you put aside the nonsense about nights after Aug not counting as legacy nights as has been explicitly stated repeatedly, hitting fifty nights gets you a year counting towards LT status in the new program so there is no need to get to 75. None. This has been stated repeatedly and is in the written materials. You will get no additional year if you hit 75 nights that you do not already have at 50. Unless you refuse to believe Marriott and you are looking for potential problems that do not exist, you are set and get your year towards LTP or LTPP at the fifty night mark.
Jul 17, 2018, 6:36 am
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No. That's another one of the highly contradictory elements. Some FTers have reported Marriott to be non-committal about whether members will receive the 50 and 75 night gifts if they reach the night targets before August. But if you are currently Platinum from 75 nights, you will be Plat Prem at changeover and so there is no rush for you...
What? Are you saying that I should have held back and kept my MR nights *under* 50 until after the programs merge in August in order to get the new SNAs?
Jul 17, 2018, 7:38 am
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I thought the sweet spot was to go over fifty before the implementation of the new program to get ten and to go over 75 once the new program is implemented so as to get fifteen total for the year.
Jul 17, 2018, 7:44 am
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Only if you're on the SPG side of the merger... i.e. reach 50 SPG nights before the merger
Jul 17, 2018, 8:31 am
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Jul 17, 2018, 10:14 am
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To the OP, if having the nights as Plat is a goal, then absolutely strive to make Plat in both programs before the end of the year. BUT, do keep current with the posts to find out what happens if you merge your accounts. Just like they haven't stated what happens to your legacy accounts, they haven't stated what benefits merging early will get you.
Jul 17, 2018, 7:09 pm
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My understanding was that in order to have a chance of getting 15 SNAs this year, one would need first to hit 50 SPG (only) nights by the end of July and then go over 75 either when the programs are combined or later in the year (maybe after merging the accounts). I don't think having between 50 and 75 MR (only) nights on August 1st will do it.
Jul 17, 2018, 7:56 pm
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No. That's another one of the highly contradictory elements. Some FTers have reported Marriott to be non-committal about whether members will receive the 50 and 75 night gifts if they reach the night targets before August. But if you are currently Platinum from 75 nights, you will be Plat Prem at changeover and so there is no rush for you...
Jul 18, 2018, 7:11 am
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Wait, seriously? This is my exact situation too, I am currently Gold at 74 Marriott nights (and about 10 SPG). I was going to generate a stay next week so I’d hit 75 Marriott nights (and plat status) before the merger, but are you saying there is a possible benefit to avoiding Marriott hotels for the next couple weeks and allowing the merger to make me plat? I really want the SNAs and don’t want to jeopardize them at all. Seems crazy they’d do it that way. Any way you could comment further or point me to this discussion?
Jul 18, 2018, 7:47 am
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Wait, seriously? This is my exact situation too, I am currently Gold at 74 Marriott nights (and about 10 SPG). I was going to generate a stay next week so I’d hit 75 Marriott nights (and plat status) before the merger, but are you saying there is a possible benefit to avoiding Marriott hotels for the next couple weeks and allowing the merger to make me plat? I really want the SNAs and don’t want to jeopardize them at all. Seems crazy they’d do it that way. Any way you could comment further or point me to this discussion?
Now maybe that's because the agents didn't know, or maybe because the IT systems will be set up to trigger the gifting options upon hitting 50 and 75 nights. I would be very surprised if this couldn't be manually fixed but let's face it, for the next few months Marriott is going to be swamped with problems, so anything you can do to have things happen smoothly and automatically...
P.S. Read the Starwood thread with the wiki containing the Q&A with the lurkers. Some things are made clear. Some other elements have no commitments made.
Jul 18, 2018, 6:05 pm
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Thanks very much for the two responses above. It seems absurd they would put an arbitrary restriction in like that simply because I completed more stays before the merger. It’s rewarding loyalty in reverse. And it actually seems simpler IT-wise to simply hand out the SNAs to all newly-minted plats, so it’s a terrible excuse if Marriott goes that route.
I will read that thread and perhaps reach out to the spg lurker. I hate chasing things down with Marriott, even when it’s blatantly obvious what needs to be corrected they always make it nearly impossible to fix. I guess we’ll see what happens, but I think it’s pretty clear I’m entitled to those suite nights both per the plat premier benefits list and simple common sense.
I will read that thread and perhaps reach out to the spg lurker. I hate chasing things down with Marriott, even when it’s blatantly obvious what needs to be corrected they always make it nearly impossible to fix. I guess we’ll see what happens, but I think it’s pretty clear I’m entitled to those suite nights both per the plat premier benefits list and simple common sense.
Jul 19, 2018, 6:29 am
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Thanks very much for the two responses above. It seems absurd they would put an arbitrary restriction in like that simply because I completed more stays before the merger. It’s rewarding loyalty in reverse. And it actually seems simpler IT-wise to simply hand out the SNAs to all newly-minted plats, so it’s a terrible excuse if Marriott goes that route.
Jul 19, 2018, 6:46 am
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Thanks very much for the two responses above. It seems absurd they would put an arbitrary restriction in like that simply because I completed more stays before the merger. It’s rewarding loyalty in reverse. And it actually seems simpler IT-wise to simply hand out the SNAs to all newly-minted plats, so it’s a terrible excuse if Marriott goes that route.
I will read that thread and perhaps reach out to the spg lurker. I hate chasing things down with Marriott, even when it’s blatantly obvious what needs to be corrected they always make it nearly impossible to fix. I guess we’ll see what happens, but I think it’s pretty clear I’m entitled to those suite nights both per the plat premier benefits list and simple common sense.
I will read that thread and perhaps reach out to the spg lurker. I hate chasing things down with Marriott, even when it’s blatantly obvious what needs to be corrected they always make it nearly impossible to fix. I guess we’ll see what happens, but I think it’s pretty clear I’m entitled to those suite nights both per the plat premier benefits list and simple common sense.
Anything can happen and we won't know until it does. Even if it's not there day one, both programs have been known to backtrack to correct missteps in the past. Keep reading the releases and see how they apply to you and your account.