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This thread (post #5 from Marriott Rewards Insider) has the official announcement of changes effective later in 2018.
An earlier, speculative discussion appears in the following closed thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...tus-tiers.html
An earlier, speculative discussion appears in the following closed thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...tus-tiers.html
Official announcement – See how our three loyalty programs will become one in August
#346
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: BDU
Programs: DL:MM, Marriott:LTT
Posts: 8,779
I am new to this (got MR Gold recently after linking SPG Gold which came with CA Amex Plat) but I read fine print carefully, out of professional habit. Nowhere did I read, that by linking my MR account with SPG Gold, I would be getting anything different from a true “earned” MR Gold. I am MR Gold when I log into Marriott, statements from Marriott show that I am Gold. For all intent and purposes, there is no distinction, either superficial or in substance, between my MR Gold and Gold that has been earned by staying 50 nights.
Based on the content on the webpage linked from my email from Marriott, I will get MR Plat in August.
David Flueck made it very clear today that people in your situation will be Gold in the new program in the following video, around the ten minute mark. The point is made and repeated for clarity.
#348
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: SFO
Posts: 3,881
Yes it is. Neither quote says you become a Marriott Gold member. The first quote makes it clear that when you status match you can, "enjoy the benefits" of Marriott Gold. The second just clarifies who is eligible to enjoy the benefits. There is a big difference between actually getting MR status and enjoying the benefits because you have SPG status. Sorry if you read what you wanted to be there instead of what was actually there, but MR obviously wrote it in a way for you to believe what was not there.
Can you point to me where the "big difference between actually getting MR status and enjoying the benefits because you have SPG status" is specified, defined and where/how the distinction is determined? If it is a "big difference" it surely must be defined, no? English is not my first language...can you kindly define "status match" in context of hotel/airline loyalty programs? Or can you point where "status match" as you defined it occurs elsewhere?
And, of course, David Flueck has made this point very clear in the new video.
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#349
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: BDU
Programs: DL:MM, Marriott:LTT
Posts: 8,779
Can you point to me where the "big difference between actually getting MR status and enjoying the benefits because you have SPG status" is specified, defined and where/how the distinction is determined? If it is a "big difference" it surely must be defined, no? English is not my first language...can you kindly define "status match" in context of hotel/airline loyalty programs? Or can you point where "status match" as you defined it occurs elsewhere?
Airlines within the same alliance use a similar type of status matching. If I am DL Diamond and I fly Czech I do not suddenly have status on Czech but I enjoy elite benefits like free luggage and lounge access.
Yes, he clearly states this and reiterates it for clarity. The link is on another post nearby. But no, he does not contradict himself as he makes clear in the video that those with a status match enjoyed the benefits while the status match period lasted. MR is moving into a new program and there will no longer be a status match, Members will be treated based on their qualification level. (Post #345 )
#350
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 1,178
#351
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: BDU
Programs: DL:MM, Marriott:LTT
Posts: 8,779
There's an article from the Australian Business Traveller that says otherwise: https://www.ausbt.com.au/five-things...tm_source=hero
If you watch the video it is very clear that as of Aug 1 people who qualified as SPG Gold will be Gold in the new program. It comes from the person in charge of the program's mouth, is clear and is repeated for accuracy. He discusses the rational in detail, making it clear the thought and facts that went into the decision.
#352
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: SFO
Posts: 3,881
It is defined within the marketing materials where it never says you become MR Gold but, instead, you enjoy the benefits. It's right there. Your choosing to ignore it and read something else into it does not change what it says. Yes, it was written in a way to confuse the issue, but it was written with the definition within.
Airlines within the same alliance use a similar type of status matching. If I am DL Diamond and I fly Czech I do not suddenly have status on Czech but I enjoy elite benefits like free luggage and lounge access.
#353
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: SFO
Posts: 3,881
If you watch the video it is very clear that as of Aug 1 people who qualified as SPG Gold will be Gold in the new program. It comes from the person in charge of the program's mouth, is clear and is repeated for accuracy. He discusses the rational in detail, making it clear the thought and facts that went into the decision.
#354
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: BDU
Programs: DL:MM, Marriott:LTT
Posts: 8,779
Bottom line, you can think it is unfair but in today's video David Flueck made it very clear that your status in the new program will be granted based on your qualifying status and program and that the status match allowed you benefits but did not grant you status in the other program. He sets the rules. He has given the clear answer.
#355
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: SFO
Posts: 3,881
There's an article from the Australian Business Traveller that says otherwise: https://www.ausbt.com.au/five-things...tm_source=hero
#356
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: SFO
Posts: 3,881
Bottom line, you can think it is unfair but in today's video David Flueck made it very clear that your status in the new program will be granted based on your qualifying status and program and that the status match allowed you benefits but did not grant you status in the other program. He sets the rules. He has given the clear answer.
#357
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,847
I have 23 rollover nights, as as I understand it, those nights are included to calculate status for this year, and for the remainder of 2019. So I would assume that means you'll have Plat status through 2019. But...It's still not clear to me if 2019 status ends in Feb 2019 or December 2019...anyone know?
#358
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ATL
Programs: DL PM 2 Mil Miler, HZ PC, Marriott LT TI, AMB, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 556
I wonder if this will have any effect on some of the hotels that are not part of the program like the St. Regis Singapore. I am hoping they come in now.
#359
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 224
Bottom line, you can think it is unfair but in today's video David Flueck made it very clear that your status in the new program will be granted based on your qualifying status and program and that the status match allowed you benefits but did not grant you status in the other program. He sets the rules. He has given the clear answer.
#360
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 86
Boy this deteriorated.
As to "nothing being taken"
Sheraton club lounges for SPG Business card holders and 4pm check out and 50% earning bonus for SPG gold isn't nothing. It may not be that tremendous to some, but it is not nothing.
I completely understand if Marriott wants to restore order among the elite program, but SPG gold was earned by some agreed upon terms as well and that also deserves respect. Until the end of the calendar year or the card renewal.
As to "nothing being taken"
Sheraton club lounges for SPG Business card holders and 4pm check out and 50% earning bonus for SPG gold isn't nothing. It may not be that tremendous to some, but it is not nothing.
I completely understand if Marriott wants to restore order among the elite program, but SPG gold was earned by some agreed upon terms as well and that also deserves respect. Until the end of the calendar year or the card renewal.