Apr 10, 2018, 6:28 am
Last edit by: MSPeconomist
In addition to the OP, see posts 70 and 121 for "information". Also, see post 1402 in the sticky merger thread in the Starwood forum which summarizes the information posted by OMAAT. [VFTW also had a similar discussion yesterday.]
Post 434 has a summary of qualification requirements for Marriott LTP in various periods.
Post 434 has a summary of qualification requirements for Marriott LTP in various periods.
Leaked New Combined Marriott / SPG Status Tiers
Apr 16, 2018, 1:25 am
#661
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 298
I just don't get why Marriott chose to just announce a date when something will be revealed and not provide any more detailed Information. It's not like Marriott is Apple and everyone is looking for the next big thing. i.e. expecting something positive or an add-on to existing services.
Marriott's announcement has many people (who have been loyal customers) looking forward to today with mixed feelings to say the least. Many are afraid that Marriott will take something away - and having loyal customers fear that is just bad corporate communication. Almost as if Apple loyalists would fear that Apple will announce the discontinuation of iTunes and icloud at the next event...
Marriott's announcement has many people (who have been loyal customers) looking forward to today with mixed feelings to say the least. Many are afraid that Marriott will take something away - and having loyal customers fear that is just bad corporate communication. Almost as if Apple loyalists would fear that Apple will announce the discontinuation of iTunes and icloud at the next event...
Apr 16, 2018, 1:37 am
#662
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: SFO
Programs: Marriott Ti/LTP
Posts: 1,329
I just don't get why Marriott chose to just announce a date when something will be revealed and not provide any more detailed Information. It's not like Marriott is Apple and everyone is looking for the next big thing. i.e. expecting something positive or an add-on to existing services.
Marriott's announcement has many people (who have been loyal customers) looking forward to today with mixed feelings to say the least. Many are afraid that Marriott will take something away - and having loyal customers fear that is just bad corporate communication. Almost as if Apple loyalists would fear that Apple will announce the discontinuation of iTunes and icloud at the next event...
Marriott's announcement has many people (who have been loyal customers) looking forward to today with mixed feelings to say the least. Many are afraid that Marriott will take something away - and having loyal customers fear that is just bad corporate communication. Almost as if Apple loyalists would fear that Apple will announce the discontinuation of iTunes and icloud at the next event...
Apr 16, 2018, 2:15 am
#663
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 298
That way, we'd have ample time to learn about the new program and decide what to do with our points. Just better than having people think that an unprecedented devaluation can take immediate effect today.
Apr 16, 2018, 5:21 am
#664
Join Date: Dec 2015
Programs: United GS, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Gold
Posts: 102
The rumor I received from a Chinese source is only top two tier get free breakfast and only top tier get lounge (assuming 75N and 100N respectively)
Apr 16, 2018, 5:26 am
#665
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,166
SPG is a loyalty program, not an operating business. The operating entity, Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide, was consistently profitable. Between 2010 and 2015, its net income ranged from $477M (2010) to $635M (2013). Starwood Net Income
During that same timeframe, Marriott actually had similar mid-9 figure net income, despite much higher revenues...so actually Starwood was MORE profitable percentage-wise.
But no need to re-hash the facts...
Apr 16, 2018, 5:35 am
#666
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Taiwan
Programs: IHG Diamond, Marriott Platinum, Hilton Gold, oneworld Emerald
Posts: 1,164
Apr 16, 2018, 5:56 am
#667
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: MIA
Programs: AA EXP (AC), DL G (SC), Bonvoy LTP, & IHG AMB
Posts: 1,798
its been fun, but I’m going to wait until 16:30 to revisit this thread. Happy Patriots’ Day!
Apr 16, 2018, 6:01 am
#668
Join Date: Dec 2015
Programs: United GS, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Gold
Posts: 102
the only thing im not quite sure is that inside the screenshot it shows 5 tiers, so I don’t know if top two tiers in the screenshot means 50/75N or 75/100N
Apr 16, 2018, 6:37 am
#669
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: India
Programs: Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, IHG Plat, HH Gold, Trident Plat, DL Diamond, AI Maharajah
Posts: 29,649
over the weekend i did a calculation of how much i spent on hotels in 2017....my spread was 79 nights with spg, 67 with trident, 22 with marriott, 7 with ihg, 5 with hilton & over 20 nights with an independent property....
with spg i spent a little over $12k, with the majority of my stays in asia....
with trident i spent a little under $17k, with all my stays coming at a single property....
i didn't spend much combined with marriott, ihg & hilton as all but a couple of nights were reward stays....
with the independent property i spent around $5k....
i would easily do over 100 nights a year with spg / marriott but my travel also took me to a number of places where neither chains were an option....last year i spent close to 100 nights in one city that does not have any chain hotels (except for trident)....i think i'll end up with similar nights at the same city again this year....if the rumors are true about there being a spend requirement for each tier & breakfast or lounge access only for the top tier then with a heavy heart i'll be forced to take my business somewhere else (possibly by default to hilton, since no other chain will work for me)....
the irony is that for most of my work travel i am accompanied by 1, 2 or sometimes 3 colleagues from the team that works under me....none of these guys wanted to be part of a frequent flyer program & were very happy with all the travel being in my name....they saw it as a burden to fill in expense reports for flights & hotel stays, etc so they just let my secretary make & pay for the bookings in my name....i forced them all to join various hotel & airline programs as i felt it was a waste for them to not be earning any miles or points....if this were not the case then i would easily be crossing 250+ nights & $30k+ spend per year....i guess i shot myself in the foot....
with spg i spent a little over $12k, with the majority of my stays in asia....
with trident i spent a little under $17k, with all my stays coming at a single property....
i didn't spend much combined with marriott, ihg & hilton as all but a couple of nights were reward stays....
with the independent property i spent around $5k....
i would easily do over 100 nights a year with spg / marriott but my travel also took me to a number of places where neither chains were an option....last year i spent close to 100 nights in one city that does not have any chain hotels (except for trident)....i think i'll end up with similar nights at the same city again this year....if the rumors are true about there being a spend requirement for each tier & breakfast or lounge access only for the top tier then with a heavy heart i'll be forced to take my business somewhere else (possibly by default to hilton, since no other chain will work for me)....
the irony is that for most of my work travel i am accompanied by 1, 2 or sometimes 3 colleagues from the team that works under me....none of these guys wanted to be part of a frequent flyer program & were very happy with all the travel being in my name....they saw it as a burden to fill in expense reports for flights & hotel stays, etc so they just let my secretary make & pay for the bookings in my name....i forced them all to join various hotel & airline programs as i felt it was a waste for them to not be earning any miles or points....if this were not the case then i would easily be crossing 250+ nights & $30k+ spend per year....i guess i shot myself in the foot....
Apr 16, 2018, 6:41 am
#670
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: New York, NY, USA
Posts: 12,474
The opening post of this leak thread shows 5 tiers: 10/25/50/75/100 nights. Top two, if correct, should mean 75/100.
Apr 16, 2018, 7:41 am
#672
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: RDU, Delta GM/1MM, Hilton Diamond (for now), Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 3,443
Apr 16, 2018, 7:50 am
#673
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Homeless
Programs: Hyatt Glob; Hilton Dia; Marriott AMB; Accor Dia; IHG Dia Amb; GHA Tit
Posts: 4,835
I could believe if breakfast was limited to 50+ nights and lounge to 75+ nights. But breakfast at 75 nights and lounge at 100 nights, plus a spend component, I call BS.
Apr 16, 2018, 8:04 am
#675
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 5
Ambassador is not a tier
Ambassador is a program, not a status tier. Says so right in the first leak. So the top 2 tiers are 50/75. So long as I keep breakfast as a recent lifetime SPG plat, I’ll be happy.
