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Old Mar 14, 18, 10:38 am
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New lounge requirement at international properties

I'm told by a Renaissance property general manager that Marriott is requiring all of its international properties with executive lounges, concierge lounges, or M Club lounges to offer a complimentary sparkling wine.
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I clicked on the thread expecting bad news...nice to hear!
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If true, don't count on Dom but a very cheap Prosecco

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Does Pepsico make sparkling wine? I'm sure Marriott will be all over that.
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If true, don't count on Dom but a very cheap Prosecco


Or cava (Spanish sparkling wine), which the London hotels were serving in November 2017.
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Originally Posted by Srisarin View Post
If true, don't count on Dom but a very cheap Prosecco
I really hope no one would expect free Dom at a hotel where a room can be had for $120/night.
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I really hope no one would expect free Dom at a hotel where a room can be had for $120/night.
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Originally Posted by JBord View Post
I really hope no one would expect free Dom at a hotel where a room can be had for $120/night.
One thing that I've never booked are the Marriott packages that come with champagne. Almost every full-service property in the vast portfolio of Marriott brands -- Marriott, Renaissance, J.W. Marriott -- is advertised by Marriott as having a package that includes a bottle of champagne.

I've never once seen the champagne label disclosed, but I suspect some of these properties are actually calling Italian or Spanish sparkling wine "champagne." I say that because a couple of the hotels I've stayed at had no legitimate champagne on the wine list of the bar or restaurant.

It reminds me of the Canadian airline that was sued recently for advertising champagne when it was serving non-French sparkling wine.

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It reminds me of the Canadian airline that was sued recently for advertising champagne when it was serving non-French sparkling wine.
There are non-French sparkling wines that are validly called champagne.
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There are non-French sparkling wines that are validly called champagne.
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Very common misconception, based on ignorance of the facts. The key is that the U.S. never signed the Treaty of Versailles, so they were not bound by France's demands. Here's an article explaining the situation from Wine Spectator:
The French wanted to protect the use of the term "Champagne" to only refer to bubbly made using traditional methods from grapes grown and vinified in the Champagne region of France, so when the Treaty of Versailles was signed in 1919 to end WWI, they included limits on the use of the word. History buffs may recall that the United States never actually ratified the Treaty of Versailles, and that in 1919 the U.S. was in the midst of Prohibition, so alcohol-labeling laws hardly seemed important at the time. This created the loophole that allowed producers here to legally slap the word "Champagne" on their bottles of bubbly - much to the irritation of the winegrowers in Champagne. Out of respect and to avoid confusion, many producers in the United States called their bubbly "sparkling wine," even when it's made in the traditional method.

Then, in early 2006, the United States and the European Union signed a wine trade agreement, and the issue was brought up again. This time, the United States agreed to not allow new uses of certain terms that were previously considered to be "semi-generic," such as Champagne (as well as Burgundy, Chablis, Port and Chianti). But anyone who already had an approved label was grandfathered in and may continue to use the term.
Reference: http://www.winespectator.com/drvinny/show/id/5011
and http://www.winespectator.com/drvinny...un-Facts-54221
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman View Post
The key is that the U.S. never signed the Treaty of Versailles, so they were not bound by France's demands.
Actually, the United States signed the treaty. It wasn't ratified by the U.S. Senate. Big difference.

While not bound by the treaty, any vintner with an international business is going to find it difficult to export sparkling wine marketed as champagne if it isn't legitimate.
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