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VickiSoCal Feb 7, 2014 11:57 am

A few franchisees have deals that are exceptions.

socrates Feb 11, 2014 11:04 am


Originally Posted by kennycrudup (Post 22305304)
OK, now I'm confused; I'm 100% SURE I've had cans of Diet Coke in several Marriott properties (since as we all know, Pepsi is vile, sugary water). Perhaps this is a regional thing (95% of my stays have been on/near the West coast).

I'm certain you have too - MI can't stop a hotel from buying anything they want...they can take points away on your QA Inspections for areas where you aren't following brand standards just as other branding organizations do

socrates Feb 11, 2014 11:05 am


Originally Posted by VickiSoCal (Post 22305669)
A few franchisees have deals that are exceptions.

I'm not personally aware of anyone having a waiver in this area...honestly I can't think of a reason one would be granted....

VickiSoCal Feb 11, 2014 11:12 am

Jw marriott live has something going on with coke. Maybe they are just willing to take a hit on the evaluation?

socrates Feb 12, 2014 8:44 am


Originally Posted by VickiSoCal (Post 22329280)
Jw marriott live has something going on with coke. Maybe they are just willing to take a hit on the evaluation?

could very well be willing to take the hit, it's not huge but it could be painful for some hotels

jasonw3 May 23, 2015 5:44 pm


Originally Posted by wharvey (Post 22241364)
Not soon enough.... one thing I love about moving to Georgia is that almost every restaurant offers Coca Cola... except for PepsiCo owned restaurants!

PepsiCo doesn't own any restaurants.

sanfran8080 May 24, 2015 8:07 am

Not soon enough....Bring in Coca-Cola products

returnoftheyeti May 27, 2015 5:32 pm

Love the fact that they usually have Gatorade for sale in the lobby's, another PepsiCo product.

jsucool76 May 27, 2015 10:08 pm

mello yello

that is all

mjcewl1284 May 28, 2015 9:12 pm

I travel to HK quite often for business and my clients always ask me to bring some Pepsi products from the Marriott props I frequent there, mainly because Pepsi is non-existent elsewhere in HK (one can find it in supermarkets, but usually at a rate that is non-competitive to Coca Cola), and most of East Asia.

I don't mind either. I do prefer a Diet Pepsi over Diet Coke but if we're talking about non diet products, hands down Coke all the way

Madone59 May 28, 2015 10:23 pm


Originally Posted by sanfran8080 (Post 24862093)
Not soon enough....Bring in Coca-Cola products

+1 ^^^^^ Yes!

DenverBrian May 28, 2015 10:31 pm


Originally Posted by socrates (Post 22329233)
I'm not personally aware of anyone having a waiver in this area...honestly I can't think of a reason one would be granted....

As I recall, the standard of making the guest welcome and taking care of requests always overrides any contractural standards for F&B products. For instance, if a group specifies in their group contract that Coke products be offered in the BEOs, I'm sure the hotel is allowed to do that.

So you end up with cases of canned Coke product coming into the hotel; and invariably it's not all used by the group, even though they paid for it; and the canned product eventually ends up at the concierge lounge, behind the bar, etc. to get used up. @:-)

hockeyinsider Nov 22, 2017 5:42 pm


Originally Posted by Gigantor (Post 22275315)
1. Marriott is a Mormon-family-owned company.
2. The Mormon Church is a large shareholder in Pepsi.

Therefore:
This business relationship is faith-based.
It will last forever.

Fake news.
https://www.snopes.com/cokelore/mormon.asp

milesmutt Nov 28, 2017 10:42 am

Regular Coke all the way, hands down. Nothing like the first sip of an ice cold Coke to knock you upside the head!
Even better is the Mexican Coke made with real sugar.


Although I have to agree Diet Pepsi is not bad. But regular Pepsi is just plain naaaaasty.

Stayed at many Marriott properties around the world and never recall having Coca-Cola
products available. Such a shame.

SkiAdcock Nov 28, 2017 5:30 pm


Originally Posted by milesmutt (Post 29109767)
Even better is the Mexican Coke made with real sugar.

Ugh. Disagree. Even the diet Mexican Coke sucks. So obviously to each their own. While I prefer Coke products over Pepsi products, in the overall scheme of things neither is important (to me). I've gotten to the point where (airline, hotel, restaurant) I just say I'll have a diet coke or pepsi, whichever you serve.

Cheers.

returnoftheyeti Nov 28, 2017 8:54 pm

The best thing about Pepsi Co is Gatorade

VA1379 Nov 28, 2017 10:14 pm

Gatorade and Tropicana orange juice are what I like best from Pepsi. I’m not a soda drinker except for ginger ale.

OTD Dec 7, 2017 1:22 pm

The four most hateful words in the English language: "Is Diet Pepsi OK?"

hockeyinsider Dec 7, 2017 2:36 pm

Park City (Utah) Marriott primarily serves Coke products.

Nathalia Spiritbomb Rojas Feb 4, 2018 6:47 pm

Why
 
Basically Marriott is loyal to Pepsi because they fronted them money when Coca cola didn't when they were first starting out. I think it's great Marriott has loyalty and though some hotels in the brand may offer coca cola they will never have a contract with Marriott. Don't know who starwood backs though since Marriott acquired their portfolio so not sure how that would play out if starwood was a Coca cola sponsor.

itsaboutthejourney Feb 4, 2018 7:39 pm


Originally Posted by Nathalia Spiritbomb Rojas (Post 29379789)
Basically Marriott is loyal to Pepsi because they fronted them money when Coca cola didn't when they were first starting out. I think it's great Marriott has loyalty and though some hotels in the brand may offer coca cola they will never have a contract with Marriott. Don't know who starwood backs though since Marriott acquired their portfolio so not sure how that would play out if starwood was a Coca cola sponsor.

In general, Starwood is Coke. I try not to drink soda, but knowing the associated products (water, orange juice, etc.) on the Coke side are superior. This is a minor detail, but another one us SPG folks are worried about.

SkiAdcock Feb 4, 2018 8:05 pm

Eh, it's soda. I can't get excited about Pepsi or Coke/really care that much.

Cheers.

hockeyinsider Feb 5, 2018 6:22 am


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 29379976)
Eh, it's soda.

Pop, not soda.

DenverBrian Feb 5, 2018 6:10 pm


Originally Posted by Nathalia Spiritbomb Rojas (Post 29379789)
Basically Marriott is loyal to Pepsi because they fronted them money when Coca cola didn't when they were first starting out.

Not true. The Pepsi relationship began during the recession of 1991-92, when by some accounts Marriott was only days away from declaring Chapter 11. Pepsi loaned Marriott a significant amount of cash at the time and helped prevent a Chapter 11; Marriott has been grateful for that help ever since.

Marriott first "started out" in 1927 and as a hotel chain in 1957.

RogerD408 Feb 5, 2018 6:14 pm


Originally Posted by hockeyinsider (Post 29381159)
Pop, not soda.

Unless you are in Atlanta where it's Coke no matter what it is.

itsaboutthejourney Feb 6, 2018 12:03 am


Originally Posted by DenverBrian (Post 29383785)
Not true. The Pepsi relationship began during the recession of 1991-92, when by some accounts Marriott was only days away from declaring Chapter 11. Pepsi loaned Marriott a significant amount of cash at the time and helped prevent a Chapter 11; Marriott has been grateful for that help ever since.

Marriott first "started out" in 1927 and as a hotel chain in 1957.

That's nice and all, but it still doesn't take away the fact that Pepsi is nasty.

Oxon Flyer Feb 6, 2018 2:55 am

Is there any need for change ?

The product quality, brand image, market position and customer profile of Pepsi and Marriott seem made for each other ....

UA-NYC Feb 6, 2018 6:29 am


Originally Posted by Oxon Flyer (Post 29384874)
The product quality, brand image, market position and customer profile of Pepsi and Marriott seem made for each other ....

Actually, if you look at the brand profiles/imagery, size, and global scope, Pepsi would be a better fit w/Starwood and Coke w/Marriott, but that's a story for another day

itsaboutthejourney Feb 6, 2018 10:49 pm


Originally Posted by Oxon Flyer (Post 29384874)
Is there any need for change ?

The product quality, brand image, market position and customer profile of Pepsi and Marriott seem made for each other ....

For Marriott yes, Starwood a big no

itsaboutthejourney Feb 6, 2018 10:59 pm


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 29385291)
Actually, if you look at the brand profiles/imagery, size, and global scope, Pepsi would be a better fit w/Starwood and Coke w/Marriott, but that's a story for another day

How so?

I associate Pepsi as more conservative, appealing to a crowd that might like country music, more likely to not have a passport, more likely to drive an American brand car. Visuals and typography more restrained than Coke... all attributes I associate with Marriott.

From my perspective, the people portrayed in Coke's advertising are more global and reflects more diversity, while Pepsi skews more caucasian. (The bubble that I live in has most friends who'd drink soda preferring an imported Mexican Coke)

My guess is that a Michelin star restaurant is far more likely to serve Coke (in a bottle) than Pepsi for the few customers asking for soda pop.

Curious to hear your take UA-NYC...

returnoftheyeti Feb 7, 2018 12:14 am

Having dined in many Michelin starred restaurants I can assure you that there is no Coke (or Pepsi) on the menus. You *may* be able to order it off menu, from the bar where its a mixer, but I am doubting that as well.

Coke is a preferred mixer as Pepsi is too sweet. So as far as mixers go they are more likely to have Coke. But its not because Coke is more high-brow, its that its the preferred mixer.

Also, if you are spending $100-$300 a plate for food and chasing it with Coke, you are doing it wrong.

Second also, Coke is a Southern company, Pepsi is for thoes damn Yankees. The South is traditionally more conservative, with lower income and less likely to travel (a huge sweeping generalization - sorry Southern FT Members)




UA-NYC Feb 7, 2018 6:16 am


Originally Posted by itsaboutthejourney (Post 29388550)
How so?

I associate Pepsi as more conservative, appealing to a crowd that might like country music, more likely to not have a passport, more likely to drive an American brand car. Visuals and typography more restrained than Coke... all attributes I associate with Marriott.

From my perspective, the people portrayed in Coke's advertising are more global and reflects more diversity, while Pepsi skews more caucasian. (The bubble that I live in has most friends who'd drink soda preferring an imported Mexican Coke)

My guess is that a Michelin star restaurant is far more likely to serve Coke (in a bottle) than Pepsi for the few customers asking for soda pop.

Curious to hear your take UA-NYC...

As someone who has done a lot of work in the category:
Coke - the initial entrant in the category, a behemoth, a bit more conservative / Southern in roots, celebrates the holidays, the bigger cola brand
Pepsi - the upstart, choice of a new generation (skewing younger), associated with music & sports, the #2 cola brand (a la Avis - We Try Harder!)

If you want to extrapolate further - Pepsi has focused in the past decade on portfolio diversity (focusing on non-soda products, trying to "health up"). Coke is now too but is playing catch-up in that regard. One could argue Starwood has a greater diversity of "products", whereas Marriott has a core strength in a standard offering (e.g., cola)

UA-NYC Feb 7, 2018 6:18 am

And in breaking news...

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/star...-products.html

DenverBrian Feb 7, 2018 6:50 pm


Originally Posted by itsaboutthejourney (Post 29384571)
That's nice and all, but it still doesn't take away the fact that Pepsi is nasty.

I never said it wasn't. I'm a Diet Coke fanatic. But I also like me a Diet Mountain Dew from time to time, and that's a Pepsi product. <shrugs>

But the poster I was responding to made up/lied about facts, and I believe in truth, regardless of which carbonated beverage a particular hotel chain uses.

ohmark Feb 7, 2018 10:31 pm


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 29389474)

At least according to a couple of anecdotal reports in the cited thread.

dayone Feb 7, 2018 11:02 pm


Originally Posted by itsaboutthejourney (Post 29379913)
knowing the associated products (water, orange juice, etc.) on the Coke side are superior..

I would say that Tropicana orange juice tastes better than Minute Maid. YMMV.


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