Jul 30, 2016, 4:21 pm
Last edit by: Slickw
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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
- Select “Packages - Deals” from the “Topic” drop down menu
- Submit your request
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Marriott Travel Packages
Aug 23, 2018, 6:54 pm
#6271
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 28
Group A
New Cat 1-4 from Old Cat 1-5: QP83 - 45k value
New Cat 5 from Old Cat 7 or upgrading from NC1-4a: QP88 - 105k value
New Cat 6 from Old Cat 9 or upgrading from NC1-4a: QPXX - 165k value
New Cat 7 when upgrading from NC1-4a: QPXX - 225k value
New Cat 8 when upgrading from NC1-4a: QPXX - 285k value
Group B
New Cat 1-4 from Old Cat 6: QP80 - 75k value
New Cat 5 from Old Cat 8 or upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 135k value
New Cat 6 from Old Tier 1-3 or upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 195k value
New Cat 7 when upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 255k value
New Cat 8 when upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 315k value
Aug 23, 2018, 8:27 pm
#6272
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Oops, my mistake. Corrected below:
Group A
New Cat 1-4 from Old Cat 1-5: QP83 - 45k value
New Cat 5 from Old Cat 7 or upgrading from NC1-4a: QP88 - 105k value
New Cat 6 from Old Cat 9 or upgrading from NC1-4a: QPXX - 165k value
New Cat 7 when upgrading from NC1-4a: QPXX - 225k value
New Cat 8 when upgrading from NC1-4a: QPXX - 285k value
Group B
New Cat 1-4 from Old Cat 6: QP80 - 75k value
New Cat 5 from Old Cat 8 or upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 135k value
New Cat 6 from Old Tier 1-3 or upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 195k value
New Cat 7 when upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 255k value
New Cat 8 when upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 315k value
Group A
New Cat 1-4 from Old Cat 1-5: QP83 - 45k value
New Cat 5 from Old Cat 7 or upgrading from NC1-4a: QP88 - 105k value
New Cat 6 from Old Cat 9 or upgrading from NC1-4a: QPXX - 165k value
New Cat 7 when upgrading from NC1-4a: QPXX - 225k value
New Cat 8 when upgrading from NC1-4a: QPXX - 285k value
Group B
New Cat 1-4 from Old Cat 6: QP80 - 75k value
New Cat 5 from Old Cat 8 or upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 135k value
New Cat 6 from Old Tier 1-3 or upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 195k value
New Cat 7 when upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 255k value
New Cat 8 when upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 315k value
Aug 23, 2018, 8:38 pm
#6273
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Toronto (YYZ)
Posts: 6,279
Mike at OMAAT was also randomly charged extra points per night on a non-TP booking - https://onemileatatime.com/successful-al-maha-booking/
6k extra/night. Strange.
6k extra/night. Strange.
Aug 23, 2018, 9:02 pm
#6274
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 28
Group A
New Cat 1-4 from Old Cat 1-5: QP83 - 45k value
New Cat 5 from Old Cat 7 or upgrading from NC1-4a: QPXX - 105k value
New Cat 6 from Old Cat 9 or upgrading from NC1-4a: QP99 - 165k value
New Cat 7 when upgrading from NC1-4a: QPXX - 225k value
New Cat 8 when upgrading from NC1-4a: QPXX - 285k value
Group B
New Cat 1-4 from Old Cat 6: QP80 - 75k value
New Cat 5 from Old Cat 8 or upgrading from NC1-4b: QP88 - 135k value
New Cat 6 from Old Tier 1-3 or upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 195k value
New Cat 7 when upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 255k value
New Cat 8 when upgrading from NC1-4b: QPXX - 315k value
Based on that it seems like there are different tables that increment by 8 as you go up categories.
I assumed based on your other post that the NC6 which cost you 30k more was a NC6 with 165k value. If so, this table makes sense and I think we could extrapolate it out. I'm going to guess that NC5 with 105k value is QP91. Could be wrong but it would fit the pattern at least
Aug 23, 2018, 9:16 pm
#6275
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,754
@nick793
Post 6257 from Traveler56789 has a QP95 with 135K value, that is converted from an attached OC8 that was canceled with the underlying booking.
So we have TWO different QP codes both are from OC8 and both have 135K value. Skimthetrees' is QP88, but Travel56789's is QP95.
Really does not make any sense how the QP codes are generated. I cannot see any rhythm.
Post 6257 from Traveler56789 has a QP95 with 135K value, that is converted from an attached OC8 that was canceled with the underlying booking.
So we have TWO different QP codes both are from OC8 and both have 135K value. Skimthetrees' is QP88, but Travel56789's is QP95.
Really does not make any sense how the QP codes are generated. I cannot see any rhythm.
Aug 23, 2018, 10:50 pm
#6276
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: LAX
Posts: 301
The poster you replied the post to, got an UPGRADE to a NEW Category 5 property with his OLD Category 5 Cert. He is being charged the Upgrade cost, and actually at a bargain, as per my understanding from the conversation with a rep, as well as how much the NC5 cost (135K), he is getting a 135K value cert with only 45K (OC1-5) + 56K extra points. Instead of having to pay 90K extra, he got charged 56K only because it seemed the supervisor and the supervisor's supervisor, had a hard time to figure out the cost and to fix the mess. At the end, for once, the customer "won".
Aug 23, 2018, 11:06 pm
#6277
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,259
1) I called Rewards at 1-801-468-4000
2) I said "transfer points" then "something else" on the voice prompts
3) I waited for 45 minutes
4) I told the rep I wanted to cancel Cert 830P in my account (7 nights Tier 1-3 Package)
5) This is where I wasted 20 more minutes - I asked her to confirm how many points I would get back and she couldn't get an answer. When she finally came back on the line I said just go ahead and cancel and we'll see how much the system redeposits.
6) She canceled the cert and 195,000 points automatically showed up seconds later along with a confirmation email
She then transferred me to SPG rewards and I booked 3 nights at the W Bali for 180,000 pts, bringing my account back down to near zero which is where I intend to keep it!
Total math - 420,000 for Certificate minus 195K refund = 225K final cost. For those 225K points I got 120K Alaska miles and 3 nights in a Cat 7 hotel. Alaska only charges 25K for JAL PVG-NRT-KUL or SIN, which is a lot of flying in flat seat business class, and I redeemed for 3 persons. Good deal.
Last edited by bangkokiscool; Aug 23, 2018 at 11:26 pm
Aug 23, 2018, 11:20 pm
#6278
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 68
Similar DP as bangkokiscool, was able to cancel my OTC6 by mentioning code 870P. BTW bangkokiscool I dont think Old Tier 1-3's code is 830P? 830P is for OTC1-5
Aug 23, 2018, 11:21 pm
#6279
Suspended
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 590
I did exactly this tonight.
1) I called Rewards at 1-801-468-4000
2) I said "transfer points" then "something else" on the voice prompts
3) I waited for 45 minutes
4) I told the rep I wanted to cancel Cert 830P in my account (7 nights Tier 1-3 Package)
5) This is where I wasted 20 more minutes - I asked her to confirm how many points I would get back and she couldn't get an answer. When she finally came back on the line I said just go ahead and cancel and we'll see how much the system redeposits.
6) She canceled the cert and 195,000 points automatically showed up seconds later along with a confirmation email
She then transferred me to SPG rewards and I booked 3 nights at the W Bali for 180,000 pts, bringing my account back down to near zero which is where I intend to keep it!
Total math - 420,000 for Certificate minus 195K refund = 225K final cost. For those 225K points I got 120K Alaska miles and 3 nights in a Cat 7 hotel. Good deal.
1) I called Rewards at 1-801-468-4000
2) I said "transfer points" then "something else" on the voice prompts
3) I waited for 45 minutes
4) I told the rep I wanted to cancel Cert 830P in my account (7 nights Tier 1-3 Package)
5) This is where I wasted 20 more minutes - I asked her to confirm how many points I would get back and she couldn't get an answer. When she finally came back on the line I said just go ahead and cancel and we'll see how much the system redeposits.
6) She canceled the cert and 195,000 points automatically showed up seconds later along with a confirmation email
She then transferred me to SPG rewards and I booked 3 nights at the W Bali for 180,000 pts, bringing my account back down to near zero which is where I intend to keep it!
Total math - 420,000 for Certificate minus 195K refund = 225K final cost. For those 225K points I got 120K Alaska miles and 3 nights in a Cat 7 hotel. Good deal.
Aug 23, 2018, 11:23 pm
#6280
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,259
Reward Details
- Description: 7 Nights, Tier 1-3 Package
- Reward certificate number: XXXXXXXX
- Reward code: 830P
- Valid through: Thursday, August 1, 2019
- Total points redeemed: 420,000
- Confirmed on: Wednesday, August 1, 2018
Aug 23, 2018, 11:24 pm
#6281
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 28
@nick793
Post 6257 from Traveler56789 has a QP95 with 135K value, that is converted from an attached OC8 that was canceled with the underlying booking.
So we have TWO different QP codes both are from OC8 and both have 135K value. Skimthetrees' is QP88, but Travel56789's is QP95.
Really does not make any sense how the QP codes are generated. I cannot see any rhythm.
Post 6257 from Traveler56789 has a QP95 with 135K value, that is converted from an attached OC8 that was canceled with the underlying booking.
So we have TWO different QP codes both are from OC8 and both have 135K value. Skimthetrees' is QP88, but Travel56789's is QP95.
Really does not make any sense how the QP codes are generated. I cannot see any rhythm.
It would make a ton of sense from a coding perspective and explain why there are multiple values for the same cert
Aug 23, 2018, 11:37 pm
#6282
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 68
I just used what was in my confirmation email when I bought the TP:
Reward Details
- Description: 7 Nights, Tier 1-3 Package
- Reward certificate number: XXXXXXXX
- Reward code: 830P
- Valid through: Thursday, August 1, 2019
- Total points redeemed: 420,000
- Confirmed on: Wednesday, August 1, 2018
Aug 23, 2018, 11:38 pm
#6283
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,754
Partial OC6 is P870, not 870P which I have no clue what it is for.
Partial OC5 is P830, but the Old Tier 1-3 is 830P.
As an example, that is the confirmation of an Partial OC6 on Aug 13th.
- Description: 7 Night Partial Package Category 6 Hotels
- Reward code: P870
- Valid through: Tuesday, August 13, 2019
- Total points redeemed: 75,000
- Confirmed on: Monday, August 13, 2018
Last edited by Happy; Aug 23, 2018 at 11:44 pm
Aug 23, 2018, 11:40 pm
#6284
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: TYO
Programs: Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 1,744
I was able to cancel my floater Marriott cert for the refund amount (Cat 8 - 135k) after calling several times.
The agent kept insisting the points weren’t mine to keep and I needed to book a hotel and the cert doesn’t just go away, not sure what she meant but they’re back in my account now, does that mean I’m safe and can move on and just book as needed?
The agent kept insisting the points weren’t mine to keep and I needed to book a hotel and the cert doesn’t just go away, not sure what she meant but they’re back in my account now, does that mean I’m safe and can move on and just book as needed?
Aug 23, 2018, 11:45 pm
#6285
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,754
I was able to cancel my floater Marriott cert for the refund amount (Cat 8 - 135k) after calling several times.
The agent kept insisting the points weren’t mine to keep and I needed to book a hotel and the cert doesn’t just go away, not sure what she meant but they’re back in my account now, does that mean I’m safe and can move on and just book as needed?
The agent kept insisting the points weren’t mine to keep and I needed to book a hotel and the cert doesn’t just go away, not sure what she meant but they’re back in my account now, does that mean I’m safe and can move on and just book as needed?
She has NO CLUE. Just ignore what she says. Things DONT work as how she understood it, or rather, not understood how things work.
The truth is, once you canceled a cert, the point value attached to the cert goes back to your account and the cert simply died, disappeared. So for those who actually want to use their certs, they have to get it back by way of getting a NC replacement. For you and others who dont need the cert, you now have the pts to book anything when you need to. That is actually the Preferred way by Marriott, as point cost is much cheaper than the 7 night hotel stay cost.