Jul 30, 2016, 4:21 pm
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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
- Select “Packages - Deals” from the “Topic” drop down menu
- Submit your request
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
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Aug 14, 2018, 11:10 am
#5161
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Pls do not blame Marriott if you hoarding MR points and blaming MR for not able to book the St. Regis Bora Bora all suite at 60,000 MRs. They are people's wild dreams. Possible, but rather remote.
So much speculations over the internet. Take them with a huge grain of salt.
Aug 14, 2018, 11:16 am
#5162
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No regular hotels that you can book.
Aug 14, 2018, 11:21 am
#5163
Join Date: Aug 2009
Programs: WN CP, Hyatt Glob, UA Silver
Posts: 102
per the TPG list (spreadsheet you can sort/filer) - 4 properties go from Cat 8 to new Cat 7, but as mentioned above, not bookable.
There are exactly 4 properties, all MVC in Hawaii, none of them have any award availability for entire booking horizon, so no way to book a stay currently for points.
There are exactly 4 properties, all MVC in Hawaii, none of them have any award availability for entire booking horizon, so no way to book a stay currently for points.
Aug 14, 2018, 11:31 am
#5164
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And note that I love using points at MVCI properties and have stayed at many of them using TP awards (including Hawaii.) But you have to be very patient and flexible in most cases due to the limited nature of award availability at those locations.
Aug 14, 2018, 11:33 am
#5165
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 211
Wow. This is one of the most active threads I've ever seen on FT. The last one was 2 years ago when CSR with 100k bonus. 
Aug 14, 2018, 11:48 am
#5168
Join Date: Aug 2009
Programs: WN CP, Hyatt Glob, UA Silver
Posts: 102
To help set expectations, MVCI properties are not hotels and award availability is very different than with a hotel award. In general, for Marriott to be able to offer award availability, a week owner has to trade that week in to Marriott for points. At some locations this occurs much more frequently than in others (and also can very depending on seasons.) Given the cost to purchase a week in Hawaii, I wouldn't think very many owners would be lining up to trade their weeks in for points. Not when they can probably rent it for significantly more than the points they would get from Marriott are worth.
And note that I love using points at MVCI properties and have stayed at many of them using TP awards (including Hawaii.) But you have to be very patient and flexible in most cases due to the limited nature of award availability at those locations.
And note that I love using points at MVCI properties and have stayed at many of them using TP awards (including Hawaii.) But you have to be very patient and flexible in most cases due to the limited nature of award availability at those locations.
Aug 14, 2018, 12:01 pm
#5169
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,337
There aren't any changes. Just unsubstantiated rumor mongering. CSRs are not to be trusted, and I can't believe people are taking a FT post as fact. Do we honestly believe a CSR would be telling members TP information before its been publicly released? I'm not buying that certs will be downgraded. My money is on 60% chance remapped to similar CATs, 40% chance Marriott IT fails in its conversion efforts and they just refund value of the TPs (They've already had to push back TPs now 1.5 months past Aug 1).
Aug 14, 2018, 12:05 pm
#5170
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,431
I just spoke with a rep and she said the system to upgrade or downgrade certs (or buy a package) is down til after 8/18.
Aug 14, 2018, 12:24 pm
#5171
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 610
Hang up and try another rep or call centre.
Aug 14, 2018, 12:28 pm
#5172
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 29
Just called into 1-866-814-6901, wait time was ~20 minutes. Rep was a bit rude ... but booked a 7N stay in Maui. Took 3 minutes.
Went for the Wailea Beach Resort, Maui, Category 8 for early Jan 2019. Fri-Fri stay.
Hoping this was the right move !
Went for the Wailea Beach Resort, Maui, Category 8 for early Jan 2019. Fri-Fri stay.
Hoping this was the right move !
Aug 14, 2018, 1:07 pm
#5173
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One last question from me, and I'm probably way over thinking it.... I have 540K points. We're considering going to Hawaii or the Westin in northern Costa Rica. Both would be higher Cat properties. Think I'm better off just straight up buying 1x T5 with max'd miles, so I'm covered for whoever the properties land in the new chart? Or is there any way to buy 2x Cat 1-5 certs, getting double the miles, and then cash one certificate out after the merge to upgrade the other one?
Do you regularly earn a lot of points? If I felt like I could earn myself back to a higher category within the span of a few months, I'd probably still redeem 2 right now because the value is so much worse after the Aug 18. But if that pins you down to new Cat 4 and your goal is Hawaii in the next year, that doesn't help you too much.
Aug 14, 2018, 1:15 pm
#5174
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: OGG
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Maybe... it depends on what the final solution is. If they drop all old TP certs to new cat 1-4 certs and refund the difference in points that is huge devaluation and is shady. It's shady because that would be easy to have communicated back in June when the other stuff rolled out and to upgrade the certs to the new levels is astronomically more expensive. If they follow through on what they've said and map them to similar levels then I agree it is too strong. I have an idea of what I would personally like but realistically as long as the value (say 40k points a night) is not dropped to 25k or something this will not get as much complaining as the "SPG can't make LTPP" thread did in late April.
Aug 14, 2018, 1:36 pm
#5175
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Maybe... it depends on what the final solution is. If they drop all old TP certs to new cat 1-4 certs and refund the difference in points that is huge devaluation and is shady. It's shady because that would be easy to have communicated back in June when the other stuff rolled out and to upgrade the certs to the new levels is astronomically more expensive. If they follow through on what they've said and map them to similar levels then I agree it is too strong. I have an idea of what I would personally like but realistically as long as the value (say 40k points a night) is not dropped to 25k or something this will not get as much complaining as the "SPG can't make LTPP" thread did in late April.
The downgrade to new Cat 1-4 just returns your original pints to you. You do not gain or lose any points. It is fair to anyone. So MR does not need to do the mapping.
Certainly this is going to downgrade or damage some people's aspiration of huge upside. This is like going to the casino. The house returns your chips to you. I do not think you can cry foul about it.
Last edited by RedSun; Aug 14, 2018 at 1:44 pm