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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
- Select Packages - Deals from the Topic drop down menu
- Submit your request
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Marriott Travel Packages
#4996
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 24
Yeah, I ended up buying a fourth package for this just because I could not pass up the amazing deal for the opportunity to stay at this property that I likely would not stay at otherwise. We chose the premium suite instead of family suite because it was the same square footage and there will only be two of us. Other than that, they looked the same to me - do you know if there is any other difference?
This was the one property that I thought about booking but ultimately decided not to. It was the difference between paying 540K for two Cat 1-5 TPs at the 120K mile marker vs the 390K for that package and I ultimately went with the two TPs. No regrets because I still value the airline miles more than the room points but it looks like an incredible property.
#4997
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 469
Family member has a Cat 1-5 7 night certificate. They were planning a trip to a Category 8 (40K points) Marriott timeshare for January/February 2019 and were planning to upgrade the certificate and attach once rooms were released. Not surprisingly, the timeshare stopped opening up nights for points bookings when the new categories were announced and the timeshare is moving to 50K points per night (from 40K). However, in the past, the timeshare has regularly released nights for January/February. My guess is that rooms will be released for Jan/Feb fairly close to August 18, just at the new 50K level.
So, with the new information that the certificates will be mapped to the new certificates, we are left with a dilemma. Should we go ahead and upgrade the certificate now to category 8 (40K points) and then hope that the certificate is matched to a new certificate at the 50K level? Any thoughts?
One additional question pertains to how much the timeshares will charge to upgrade from studios to 1 bedrooms and 2 bedrooms. The current “cost” for an upgrade of one level is only $5K per night. I can’t find any information about new point costs for upgrades at timeshares. The planned timeshare property previously routinely made upgraded rooms available using points. Not sure whether they will now or at what cost. What do do . . . . . .?
Thanks for your thoughts.
So, with the new information that the certificates will be mapped to the new certificates, we are left with a dilemma. Should we go ahead and upgrade the certificate now to category 8 (40K points) and then hope that the certificate is matched to a new certificate at the 50K level? Any thoughts?
One additional question pertains to how much the timeshares will charge to upgrade from studios to 1 bedrooms and 2 bedrooms. The current “cost” for an upgrade of one level is only $5K per night. I can’t find any information about new point costs for upgrades at timeshares. The planned timeshare property previously routinely made upgraded rooms available using points. Not sure whether they will now or at what cost. What do do . . . . . .?
Thanks for your thoughts.
#4998
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 700
Changing the category should extend the expiration of the hotel partial package to one year from the date of change. If you were thinking of staying in a current Category 6 and have 30K in points in your account, it might make sense if the option is still available to upgrade your current package. I was told yesterday that the system is blocking category changes, but on a later call I made the desired revisions.
in my case, mid Oct is my expiry date, and I just dont see myself using it by then.....so if upgrading changes the expiration date that is worth the insurance...plus it may possibly fare better in the hotel category mapping after next week.
#4999
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: SFO/YYZ
Programs: AC 25K, AS MVP Gold, BA Bronze, UA Silver, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 2,431
Can you confirm by upgrading your package, the expiry date moved another year?
in my case, mid Oct is my expiry date, and I just dont see myself using it by then.....so if upgrading changes the expiration date that is worth the insurance...plus it may possibly fare better in the hotel category mapping after next week.
in my case, mid Oct is my expiry date, and I just dont see myself using it by then.....so if upgrading changes the expiration date that is worth the insurance...plus it may possibly fare better in the hotel category mapping after next week.
#5000
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: body: A stone's throw from SFO, mind: SE Asia
Programs: Some of this 'n some of that
Posts: 17,263
Can you confirm by upgrading your package, the expiry date moved another year?
in my case, mid Oct is my expiry date, and I just dont see myself using it by then.....so if upgrading changes the expiration date that is worth the insurance...plus it may possibly fare better in the hotel category mapping after next week.
in my case, mid Oct is my expiry date, and I just dont see myself using it by then.....so if upgrading changes the expiration date that is worth the insurance...plus it may possibly fare better in the hotel category mapping after next week.
#5001
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: body: A stone's throw from SFO, mind: SE Asia
Programs: Some of this 'n some of that
Posts: 17,263
Please note that whichever option you choose, from August 18 through September 18, you will not be able to modify your certificate for an existing reservation or attach it to a new one. Please plan accordingly.
#5002
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: NYC
Programs: United 1P
Posts: 688
Thanks! The thing that I am worried is that if I change category after Sep 18, Marriott will ask me to pay the difference between the old TP and the new TP for the same amount of airline miles that I get. In that way, I have to pay a lot more points for upgrade the 7-night certificate.
#5003
Thanks! The thing that I am worried is that if I change category after Sep 18, Marriott will ask me to pay the difference between the old TP and the new TP for the same amount of airline miles that I get. In that way, I have to pay a lot more points for upgrade the 7-night certificate.
#5004
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: NYC
Programs: United 1P
Posts: 688
I know. The issue is that I do not even know which hotel to stay at. Also, I do not know how the old category certificate will be applied to the new category.
#5005
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 308
Airline miles are definitely worth more, so a good decision here. I only had 150k SPG miles to play with, so I opted for one big package. That being said, I do think you tend to get more value out of the higher tier hotels. Not that you can find value in cat 1-5, but I think its easier to get value for points at a higher tier...plus I'd never pay $800/night for a premium hotel. $100/night for a cat 5 in southeast Asia, I'm much more likely to pay out-of-pocket.
I agree as well on your assessment, but the good news is, while I'm not really excited about the current cat 1-5 hotels, I feel pretty good about the packages mapping to the new cat 1-4s, which when the SPG hotels are added in opens up a lot more possibilities.
#5006
SPG added quite many nice properties. I had resorts in Hawaii in mind, but did not like the Marriott property that well. Waiting for SPG resorts to get added.
#5007
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: PHX, ICN
Programs: OZ Diamond Plus, Marriott Gold
Posts: 501
Thanks! The thing that I am worried is that if I change category after Sep 18, Marriott will ask me to pay the difference between the old TP and the new TP for the same amount of airline miles that I get. In that way, I have to pay a lot more points for upgrade the 7-night certificate.
My expectation is that on 9/18 you'll have to pay the new price for upgrading a cert. Marriott's attitude will probably be, "hey, we told you the price was going up. There is no recourse if you wait."
So yes, you're going to pay more to upgrade. But you already bought the miles if you bought the cert prior to 8/18.
#5008
Join Date: Jun 2004
Programs: Marriott/Starwood Lifetime Titanium, Hilton HHonors Diamond, IHG Spire, United Premier Silver
Posts: 707
Thanks! The thing that I am worried is that if I change category after Sep 18, Marriott will ask me to pay the difference between the old TP and the new TP for the same amount of airline miles that I get. In that way, I have to pay a lot more points for upgrade the 7-night certificate.
Last edited by sinfonia; Aug 11, 2018 at 11:17 pm Reason: Added more info
#5009
Join Date: May 1998
Posts: 6,790
The wording is horrible and belies the meat of the message which is:
And that is the crux which effects attached and unattached certs. I'd be freaked out if holding a cert reservation during that period because if plans didn't hold exactly there'd be no way to modify/cancel.
And that is the crux which effects attached and unattached certs. I'd be freaked out if holding a cert reservation during that period because if plans didn't hold exactly there'd be no way to modify/cancel.
#5010
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: body: A stone's throw from SFO, mind: SE Asia
Programs: Some of this 'n some of that
Posts: 17,263
One would hope a cancellation of a TP cert reservation during that period would result in the cert returning to said account but the phrase 'you will not be able to modify your certificate for an existing reservation" without any explicit comment regarding cancellation gives me pause.