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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
- Select “Packages - Deals” from the “Topic” drop down menu
- Submit your request
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
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Jul 29, 2018, 3:31 pm
#4396
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 546
Yes, that's one of unknowns. If the number of points required drops at your hotel on 8/18, we don't yet know whether you can call for an adjustment without canceling your reservation. If you cancel, we don't know what the certificate will become and whether you can rebook with the same certificate.
Jul 29, 2018, 3:34 pm
#4397
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Toronto
Programs: UA 1K, AC MM E75, Marriott LT Ti, IHG Dia Amb, Hyatt Glob
Posts: 15,519
Yes, that's one of unknowns. If the number of points required drops at your hotel on 8/18, we don't yet know whether you can call for an adjustment without canceling your reservation. If you cancel, we don't know what certificate will become and whether you can rebook with the same certificate.
Jul 29, 2018, 3:35 pm
#4398
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 546
If you don't make any change to your reservation, it will be honored post 8/18.
Jul 29, 2018, 3:38 pm
#4400
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 46
According to Marriott's FAQs https://members.marriott.com/faq/#wh...nt-flyer-miles :
It is silent about TP's.
In August, when the programs come together, what will happen to any existing reservations I have at hotels in the Rewards or SPG portfolios?
All existing reservations are secure and there will be no changes or need to take any action. However, if you have accounts with Rewards and SPG that you choose to combine in August, you will be able to view and manage your existing reservations from that single account. For stays booked with points, if you modify your stay dates after August, you will be subject to the new Free Night Award Chart point values. Extending your stay or shifting your stay dates will result in a recalculation of points required for your reservation.It is silent about TP's.
Jul 29, 2018, 3:41 pm
#4401
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Toronto
Programs: UA 1K, AC MM E75, Marriott LT Ti, IHG Dia Amb, Hyatt Glob
Posts: 15,519
this question. Some good news today for those who have award bookings after August where the hotel will be going down in category. While if a redemption stay is booked prior to when the new categories go into effect, a member would not automatically receive a points refund should the hotel require fewer points, members will be able to contact us for assistance in moving the reservation to new category pricing without losing the reservation. This was not the case in SPG where a new availability check was required, so I'm pleased that the current Marriott Rewards policy will continue in that regard.
Best regards,
William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts LLC
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Best regards,
William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts LLC
[email protected]
Jul 29, 2018, 3:58 pm
#4402
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
Thanks everyone's advice! I've frequently used aeroplan for my trips and especially for the AC direct to Tokyo, however I was looking for a better business product for this trip and was willing to do a connection for it. This is simple travel for Toronto to Tokyo and will not include any additional destinations (fam obligations) so the rtw and extra stops are not valued.
I was leaning toward the Alaskan miles now since I can earn more on the cc we have here, but flying JAL means I need to get to another hub separately which is crappy unless anyone knows another way to include the connection in the same redemption. Going to call VS to see if the UA connecting flight from Toronto to Chicago can be include as it is sometimes a code share I believe to get ANA.
I wish i could still hit so many other places but at the moment it's not practical. I also got a bunch of avios sitting around for short hauls and more aeroplan as it's the easiest to earn here. Been holding onto lots of AMEX MR Canada for a big luxurious trip, but we don't have great transfer partners up here so will need to investigate options for the future. Looking to Bora Bora in the lifetime.
James
Jul 29, 2018, 11:39 pm
#4403
Join Date: May 1998
Posts: 6,790
Another data point:
I just called the 1-800-321-7396 number; number was answered immediately; I asked to check my points balance and was immediately forwarded to an associate.
I was on hold less than 3 minutes before an associate picked up, he understood exactly what I wanted, and I had the certificate and reservation within 5 minutes of beginning to talk with him. Total elapsed time from when I began to dial, 8 minutes 32 seconds.
I immediately checked my account, the points had been deducted, the certificate was in there (expiring 30 July 2019), and the confirmed reservation was showing in the account.
Outstanding service! I was really dreading the long wait and trying to explain what I wanted, and instead it was all easy peasy. Maybe calling after midnight Central Time helped.
I just called the 1-800-321-7396 number; number was answered immediately; I asked to check my points balance and was immediately forwarded to an associate.
I was on hold less than 3 minutes before an associate picked up, he understood exactly what I wanted, and I had the certificate and reservation within 5 minutes of beginning to talk with him. Total elapsed time from when I began to dial, 8 minutes 32 seconds.
I immediately checked my account, the points had been deducted, the certificate was in there (expiring 30 July 2019), and the confirmed reservation was showing in the account.
Outstanding service! I was really dreading the long wait and trying to explain what I wanted, and instead it was all easy peasy. Maybe calling after midnight Central Time helped.
Jul 30, 2018, 12:38 am
#4404
Join Date: Jun 2004
Programs: Marriott/Starwood Lifetime Titanium, Hilton HHonors Diamond, IHG Spire, United Premier Silver
Posts: 707
Ack! I just called to purchase the cat 6 travel package and wimped out.
The friendly and helpful fellow at the elite line (picked up right away, by the way) suggested I purchase a cat 1-5 certificate when I told him that I was wanting to use it at a property that is currently 6 but will be 4. He advised I purchase 1-5 now and then wait to attach it after the category change. I told him that I was concerned about an unattached certificate being canceled and he thought it preposterous that such a thing would occur. After he reminded me that any changes after August would then be assessed with the new price structure, I asked if attaching the certificate post-August would be considered changing the reservation and therefore defaulting to the new price structure. He did not know but seemed to think that it was against Marriott's ethics to do such a thing.
In any case, he seemed rather confident that I could purchase a 1-5 now and then attach it once the categories change.
Has anyone else been told this by Marriott associates?
The friendly and helpful fellow at the elite line (picked up right away, by the way) suggested I purchase a cat 1-5 certificate when I told him that I was wanting to use it at a property that is currently 6 but will be 4. He advised I purchase 1-5 now and then wait to attach it after the category change. I told him that I was concerned about an unattached certificate being canceled and he thought it preposterous that such a thing would occur. After he reminded me that any changes after August would then be assessed with the new price structure, I asked if attaching the certificate post-August would be considered changing the reservation and therefore defaulting to the new price structure. He did not know but seemed to think that it was against Marriott's ethics to do such a thing.
In any case, he seemed rather confident that I could purchase a 1-5 now and then attach it once the categories change.
Has anyone else been told this by Marriott associates?
Jul 30, 2018, 4:41 am
#4406
Formerly richh1833
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: SYD
Programs: QF P1, BA GGL, AS GMVP
Posts: 479
I have a question since I'm currently waiting for my points to transferred to my SPG account. When is the last day to phone up Marriott to actually order one of these packages? Is it the 17th August? I understand that the last day to redeem your certificate is the 17th but when is the last day to order the package?
Jul 30, 2018, 4:43 am
#4407
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
Programs: AS MVP; UA Gold; DL Gold; Marriott Titanium
Posts: 156
Just booked a second Cat 1-5 7-night travel package with Alaska Miles. The first I attached for a trip to Bangkok in April.
This one, which expires in a year, I'm thinking of attaching to a Cape Town Protea property.
Two things are keeping me from attaching: 1) Cape Town is cheap, so not sure it's a good bang for my buck; and 2) I'm curious what will happen to unattached certs come program merge date.
That being said, what's the possibility of extending these pre-merger certificates out another year to the summer of 2020?
I've never had 7-night certs before, but I've seen where people had no problems (or few problems) extending them.
But that was all pre-merger; post-merger may be different.
Thanks!
This one, which expires in a year, I'm thinking of attaching to a Cape Town Protea property.
Two things are keeping me from attaching: 1) Cape Town is cheap, so not sure it's a good bang for my buck; and 2) I'm curious what will happen to unattached certs come program merge date.
That being said, what's the possibility of extending these pre-merger certificates out another year to the summer of 2020?
I've never had 7-night certs before, but I've seen where people had no problems (or few problems) extending them.
But that was all pre-merger; post-merger may be different.
Thanks!
Jul 30, 2018, 7:20 am
#4409
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Programs: MB-LTT , HH-Diam., HGP-Expl.
Posts: 778
Well then, let's compare apples and apples -- in this case, the cost of the 7 night certificates plus the miles.
For a Cat 7, the 7 nights plus 50K miles is 260K points.
If you increase the miles to 70K, an increase of 20K miles, the cost for the package increases to 280K points, so those 20K miles cost you 20K points, or 1 mile costs 1 point.
If you increase the miles again to 100K, an increase of 30K miles, the cost for the package increases to 310K points, so those 30K miles cost you 30K points, so again 1 mile costs 1 point.
If you increase the miles again to 120K, an increase of 20K miles, the cost for the package increases to 330K points, so those 20K miles cost you 20K points, so yet again 1 mile costs 1 point.
I leave it as an exercise for the reader, but this same ratio, 1 mile costing 1 point, prevails throughout the chart. So, it does seem clear that Marriott values the miles in the package at one point each.
Taking the package valuation one step further, one can redeem 7 nights in a cat 7 all by itself (not as a part of a travel package) for 210K points. Redeeming a travel package for those 7 nights at a Cat 7 and adding 100K miles costs 310K points, which can be broken out as 210K for the room and 100K for the miles. This may be pure coincidence, but it does seem to be a logical conclusion for a buyer to draw.
For a Cat 7, the 7 nights plus 50K miles is 260K points.
If you increase the miles to 70K, an increase of 20K miles, the cost for the package increases to 280K points, so those 20K miles cost you 20K points, or 1 mile costs 1 point.
If you increase the miles again to 100K, an increase of 30K miles, the cost for the package increases to 310K points, so those 30K miles cost you 30K points, so again 1 mile costs 1 point.
If you increase the miles again to 120K, an increase of 20K miles, the cost for the package increases to 330K points, so those 20K miles cost you 20K points, so yet again 1 mile costs 1 point.
I leave it as an exercise for the reader, but this same ratio, 1 mile costing 1 point, prevails throughout the chart. So, it does seem clear that Marriott values the miles in the package at one point each.
Taking the package valuation one step further, one can redeem 7 nights in a cat 7 all by itself (not as a part of a travel package) for 210K points. Redeeming a travel package for those 7 nights at a Cat 7 and adding 100K miles costs 310K points, which can be broken out as 210K for the room and 100K for the miles. This may be pure coincidence, but it does seem to be a logical conclusion for a buyer to draw.
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Jul 30, 2018, 7:22 am
#4410
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Hold it down for The Bay, reppin' Oakland
Programs: Lowly UA silver, Marriott Ambassador/Tit4Lyf, IHG Plat
Posts: 1,763
That being said, what's the possibility of extending these pre-merger certificates out another year to the summer of 2020?
I've never had 7-night certs before, but I've seen where people had no problems (or few problems) extending them.
But that was all pre-merger; post-merger may be different.
I've never had 7-night certs before, but I've seen where people had no problems (or few problems) extending them.
But that was all pre-merger; post-merger may be different.