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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
- Select “Packages - Deals” from the “Topic” drop down menu
- Submit your request
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Marriott Travel Packages
Jul 2, 2018, 7:34 pm
#3616
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Hold it down for The Bay, reppin' Oakland
Programs: Lowly UA silver, Marriott Ambassador/Tit4Lyf, IHG Plat
Posts: 1,763
If a certificate holder wants to wait to attach their certificate until the new program rates kick in in August, they'll be taking a risk so long as Marriott holds off on clarifying the policy. That this is anxiety provoking and even possibly unfair to certificate holders does not mean that Marriott cannot do this.
Clarifying in advance will lead to different consequences, depending on the policy.
- If holders of unattached certificates get more in value than they paid, there will be a wild rush to redeem the minute the policy is announced.
- If holders of unattached certificates get what they paid for (by refunding some points if the certificates are replaced with a lower value), there will be an uptick in redemptions by folks who want to take advantage of the greater miles and better ratio, now that they know that their certificates will not be devalued.
- If holders of unattached certificates will get less value than what they paid for, folks will wait to redeem until the new program kicks in, unless they really need the miles and are willing to take a beating on the hotel certificate.
Given that Marriott would be better off having fewer people redeem for miles at the current rate, and that they are unlikely to want to deal with the uproar that would be caused by giving less value than people paid for, my guess it that the ultimate outcome will be 1 or 2, and that they are keeping mum to avoid a "run on the bank."
Jul 2, 2018, 8:02 pm
#3617
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Cockeysville, MD
Programs: Marriott Rewards Lifetime Titanium, Amex Plat, Hertz Gold 5*, National Exec, AA Plat
Posts: 9,467
Jul 3, 2018, 6:06 am
#3618
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: CHS
Programs: UA GS, Bonvoy Amabassador, Hertz PC
Posts: 2,589
Let me get this straight...
If I "Buy" a cat 6 for 7 nights @ 300,000 points, I get a 7 day cert and 132,000 united miles.
Their verbiage says don't for get about the 10% rewards plus bonus, up to 12,000 miles....I assume that is already accounted for
So, it is really 7 nights and 120,000 miles - but with 10% added it makes it 132,000 after the bonus??
Does that sound right?
If I "Buy" a cat 6 for 7 nights @ 300,000 points, I get a 7 day cert and 132,000 united miles.
Their verbiage says don't for get about the 10% rewards plus bonus, up to 12,000 miles....I assume that is already accounted for
So, it is really 7 nights and 120,000 miles - but with 10% added it makes it 132,000 after the bonus??
Does that sound right?
Jul 3, 2018, 6:52 am
#3619
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: BOS/MHT/PVD/BDL
Programs: Belong to Many but No Longer Loyal to Any
Posts: 880
Jul 3, 2018, 8:23 am
#3620
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: toronto
Posts: 914
I got my Aeroplan miles posted this morning. I did the Travel Package transfer last Wednesday. So just short of under a week for the miles to show up on Aeroplan's side. Not bad.
Jul 3, 2018, 2:22 pm
#3621
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: JAX
Programs: UA Plat MM, AA Gold MM, Marriott LTT, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 3,770
I am looking at a current Cat 8 Marriott property at 40K per night that is going down to new Cat 5 at 35K per night. If I redeem for a 5 night TP (MCV owner) and attach the cert before Aug. 1, then I can cancel the reservation after Aug. 1 and have the cert reissued at the new Cat 5 with refund of difference?
Jul 3, 2018, 3:19 pm
#3622
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 546
I am looking at a current Cat 8 Marriott property at 40K per night that is going down to new Cat 5 at 35K per night. If I redeem for a 5 night TP (MCV owner) and attach the cert before Aug. 1, then I can cancel the reservation after Aug. 1 and have the cert reissued at the new Cat 5 with refund of difference?
1) 160K points (likely with some restrictions)
2) A point-based certificate (up to 35K/night) + 20K points
3) A point-based certificate (up to 40K/night)
In scenario 1 and 2, you will net 20K points after rebooking. In scenario 3, however, you will get no additional points.
Jul 3, 2018, 3:25 pm
#3623
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: JAX
Programs: UA Plat MM, AA Gold MM, Marriott LTT, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 3,770
No one is certain how exactly it will be handled. Upon cancellation you may receive one of the following:
1) 160K points (likely with some restrictions)
2) A point-based certificate (up to 35K/night) + 20K points
3) A point-based certificate (up to 40K/night)
In scenario 1 and 2, you will net 20K points after rebooking. In scenario 3, however, you will get no additional points.
1) 160K points (likely with some restrictions)
2) A point-based certificate (up to 35K/night) + 20K points
3) A point-based certificate (up to 40K/night)
In scenario 1 and 2, you will net 20K points after rebooking. In scenario 3, however, you will get no additional points.
Jul 3, 2018, 4:02 pm
#3624
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: 718
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Platinum, IHG Diamond
Posts: 967
Im thinking to book another travel pkg, this time for a cat9. Post-change, this cert should be able to book "any" hotel since top cat will be 8?! And would be able to book Ritz Carlton as well? No pt ordering the Tier packages...?!
Jul 3, 2018, 4:39 pm
#3625
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Cockeysville, MD
Programs: Marriott Rewards Lifetime Titanium, Amex Plat, Hertz Gold 5*, National Exec, AA Plat
Posts: 9,467
Unlikely in my opinion as old categories do not equal new. You are more likely to end up with something that will more or less equate to hotels that are about 45k/night-current value of a cat 9.
Jul 3, 2018, 5:36 pm
#3626
Join Date: May 2014
Location: DFW
Posts: 108
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29917515-post1810.html
Bolding and color are mine to draw attention to relevant parts of quote.
Bolding and color are mine to draw attention to relevant parts of quote.
Here's my guess:
Let's say you have a Cat X travel certificate and attach it to a reservation at a Cat X hotel before Aug. This is now considered used - so there will be no conversions, no floater certificates lying around in your account.
Post Aug, the above Cat X stays cat X - nothing lost, nothing gained. But if that Cat X hotel is one that increases award category, you basically end up having a "used" certificate for a higher category. So then what if you want to reschedule that booking you have?
Note that for stays booked with points, if you modify your stay dates after August, you will be subject to the new Free Night Award Chart point values. Extending your stay or shifting your stay dates will result in a recalculation of points required for your reservation. <added by Starwood Lurker 30Apr18
Jul 3, 2018, 5:58 pm
#3627
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 31
I know that I need a TP for August 2019. The hotel is Cat 6 but reservations are not yet open. Looked up that Free Night Award Chart for coming August and Marriott downgraded the hotel award category to 4. Should I book Cat 6 or Cat 4 for the certificate? It's a 30k difference for Cat 4 and Cat 6 cert right now.
On the other hand, if the hotel is going to turn into a Cat 4 anyway, should I just buy a Cat 4 cert instead?
On the other hand, if the hotel is going to turn into a Cat 4 anyway, should I just buy a Cat 4 cert instead?
Jul 3, 2018, 6:05 pm
#3628
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: JAX
Programs: UA Plat MM, AA Gold MM, Marriott LTT, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 3,770
I wouldn't count on it. Categories do not match Current Cat 9 is below new Cat 7 and 8. You have to attach the cert to a hotel before Aug. 1 to be certain.
Jul 3, 2018, 6:50 pm
#3629
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Intermountain West
Programs: Too many to list
Posts: 12,079
TP or use current pts for 1>3 stays?
Strategy question:
We have ~700K Marriott pts and usually use them for 1, 2 or 3 night stays.
We could use more AS or AA miles but not sure if it's worth spending 270K Marriott pts for a Cat. 1-5 cert. if we may only use it for a 2 or 3 night stay.
We have no current plans for the 120K miles but would probably use them w/in the next 2 yrs.
Would you pull the trigger and buy the TP?
We have ~700K Marriott pts and usually use them for 1, 2 or 3 night stays.
We could use more AS or AA miles but not sure if it's worth spending 270K Marriott pts for a Cat. 1-5 cert. if we may only use it for a 2 or 3 night stay.
We have no current plans for the 120K miles but would probably use them w/in the next 2 yrs.
Would you pull the trigger and buy the TP?
Jul 3, 2018, 6:56 pm
#3630
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,754
I am looking at a current Cat 8 Marriott property at 40K per night that is going down to new Cat 5 at 35K per night. If I redeem for a 5 night TP (MCV owner) and attach the cert before Aug. 1, then I can cancel the reservation after Aug. 1 and have the cert reissued at the new Cat 5 with refund of difference?
The usage is for real need and in Oct. The ideal outcome for us would be a refund of points for 6 nights (there is 1 free night in the 7 nights cert) for the original Cat 6. This would allow us rebook another hotel in the same city that is going down from 40K to 35K a night, with a shorter stay.