Jul 30, 2016, 4:21 pm
Last edit by: Slickw
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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
- Select “Packages - Deals” from the “Topic” drop down menu
- Submit your request
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Marriott Travel Packages
Aug 27, 2018, 7:51 pm
#6421
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
You can get your cert back. Make sure to call Marriott Rewards department and not the general reservations. Make it clear it was their error. With this TP cert fiasco whenever I have pointed out the problems were all due to Marriott's error(s) they helped me, eventually. The first time they botched up when the agent said there was nothing she could do to fix Marriott's mistake I told her in no uncertain terms that she would need to connect me to a supervisor which she did and the supervisor then "fixed" it. And, by "fixed" it, I mean he thought he fixed it but he made a mistake and had upgraded my package from an OC8 (NC5) to an OC9 (NC6) and charged me 30k points for the upgrade which was wasted on me since I only needed an NC5 hotel. But, at least he tried and a few days and many calls later I am whole again with my replacement NC5 cert in my account and points exactly where they were before they cancelled my cert.
Aug 27, 2018, 8:32 pm
#6422
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 58
I was able to call to downgrade my OC8 and received 30k points refund.
- Description: PARTIAL PACKAGE - 7 NIGHTS CATEGORY 5
- Reward code: QP91
- Valid through: Tuesday, August 27, 2019
- Total points redeemed: 105,000
- Confirmed on: Monday, August 27, 2018
Aug 27, 2018, 8:37 pm
#6423
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 55
Yes, I thought that Marriott's policy of having Starwood point conversion as 1:3 being generous. I also thought giving Starwood Gold with Marriott Gold, and Starwood Platinum to Marriott Platinum generous.
So yes, they are generous to the Starwood members.
Obviously they run out of money being generous ..... or the shareholders have knocked the door saying, I need to see value from my investments.
So yes, they are generous to the Starwood members.
Obviously they run out of money being generous ..... or the shareholders have knocked the door saying, I need to see value from my investments.
Marriott was also very generous turning SPG gold which is virtually useless into Marriott gold which is lot more useful.
Aug 27, 2018, 11:57 pm
#6424
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: AA MM PP, MR LT Plat, Globalist
Posts: 998
Attn: Marriott competitor
This idea may be a bit crazy, but a savvy competitor could swoop in now with a marketing coup. - Just ask us to surrender our Marriott certificates for equivalent certificates (or points) in your program. Logistically, it's easier than most status matches. To start, just have us book a 7-night award stay checking in tomorrow, which would automatically be nonrefundable. Then, the member can cancel the award and email proof of cancellation. (Or you can ask us to close out our Marriott account, but I'll need more incentive to give up my Lifetime Marriott Silver.)
Aug 28, 2018, 3:07 am
#6425
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: AUH
Posts: 8,265
This idea may be a bit crazy, but a savvy competitor could swoop in now with a marketing coup. - Just ask us to surrender our Marriott certificates for equivalent certificates (or points) in your program. Logistically, it's easier than most status matches. To start, just have us book a 7-night award stay checking in tomorrow, which would automatically be nonrefundable. Then, the member can cancel the award and email proof of cancellation. (Or you can ask us to close out our Marriott account, but I'll need more incentive to give up my Lifetime Marriott Silver.)
Status matches work because it is only marginal costs which arise only when you stay with them. They are not going to foot the bill for 7 nights of free stays.
Aug 28, 2018, 4:40 am
#6426
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 393
Wyndham very briefly offered a 4 to 1 match for SPG members that donated their points to charity instead of transferring to Marriott. It was cancelled after a couple hours - presumably due fraud issues. So - not completely out of the realm of possibility.
Aug 28, 2018, 6:11 am
#6427
Join Date: May 1998
Posts: 6,790
Poaching Starwood members may have been a good idea, but suffered from the implementation.
Aug 28, 2018, 6:22 am
#6428
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: AUH
Posts: 8,265
Presumably the fact that: 1. it was Wyndham, and 2. it was cancelled after just hours, shows that the same deal is not going to be offered by any credible competitor to the combined SPG/Marriott chain.
Bear in mind that we are talking about anything up to 7 nights at the chain's most expensive properties. That's one heck of a customer acquisition cost, in exchange for what?
Bear in mind that we are talking about anything up to 7 nights at the chain's most expensive properties. That's one heck of a customer acquisition cost, in exchange for what?
Aug 28, 2018, 7:41 am
#6429
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Programs: MB-LTT , HH-Diam., HGP-Expl.
Posts: 778
I edited the Wiki.
It appears NC4 is QP83, NC5 is QP91, NC6 is QP99. Assuming my original guess is right, NC7 is QP107.
Happy received a NC80 which coded as QP80 which seems to be a special case.
It appears NC4 is QP83, NC5 is QP91, NC6 is QP99. Assuming my original guess is right, NC7 is QP107.
Happy received a NC80 which coded as QP80 which seems to be a special case.
Aug 28, 2018, 7:49 am
#6430
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 736
Thanks! With the amount of posts in this thread I think the wiki is underutilized here.
Aug 28, 2018, 8:07 am
#6431
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: IL
Posts: 270
OC5->NC4-45 QP83
OC6->NC4-75 QP80
OC7->NC5-105 QP91
OC8->NC5-135 QP88
OC9->NC6-165 QP99
OCT3->NC6-195 QP96
OCT5->NC7-315 QP107
The last two are guesses.
Few data points suggest that upgrades and downgrades are being allowed based on the point values attached to the category designation. Maybe this is by design for implementation after Sept18, maybe a one time only, or maybe something allowed in the system but not supposed to happen. Might be worth attempting to upgrade if that is your aim before that option is closed, if in fact it will be.
Aug 28, 2018, 8:37 am
#6432
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,740
I believe there is a set of codes for those OCs that have overpaid 30K, i.e. only apply to OC6, OC8 and Tier1-3 when you convert.
I also agree with zozeppelin's assessment of the situation.
Else the sequence on the "normal" OCs would be as what you listed above in the increment of 8.
Aug 28, 2018, 9:08 am
#6433
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 153
I have an OC7 that is now an NC5 by new table. I wonder if I can call and go from an QP91 to a QP99 which would end up being 60k points for a two tier upgrade. Or if I could convince them that since I have an NC5 now that I should go from a QP88 to a QP91 for 30k points. Certainly that would take some acting. But in all seriousness, has anyone had any luck UPGRADING the newly converted TPs?
Last edited by upsidedown; Aug 28, 2018 at 1:43 pm Reason: Type
Aug 28, 2018, 9:10 am
#6434
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Programs: MB-LTT , HH-Diam., HGP-Expl.
Posts: 778
QP80 is NC4 with 75K pts versus QP83 with 45K pts. Skimthetrees has special codes for his OC8 to NC5.
I believe there is a set of codes for those OCs that have overpaid 30K, i.e. only apply to OC6, OC8 and Tier1-3 when you convert.
I also agree with zozeppelin's assessment of the situation.
Else the sequence on the "normal" OCs would be as what you listed above in the increment of 8.
I believe there is a set of codes for those OCs that have overpaid 30K, i.e. only apply to OC6, OC8 and Tier1-3 when you convert.
I also agree with zozeppelin's assessment of the situation.
Else the sequence on the "normal" OCs would be as what you listed above in the increment of 8.
Aug 28, 2018, 9:19 am
#6435
Suspended
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 590
Has anyone been able to downgrade their cert more than 1 level? i.e. Cat 9 to Cat 6 for a 90k point refund?