Jul 30, 2016, 4:21 pm
Last edit by: Slickw
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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
- Select “Packages - Deals” from the “Topic” drop down menu
- Submit your request
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Marriott Travel Packages
Aug 18, 2018, 2:53 pm
#5581
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Posts: 31,963
Aug 18, 2018, 2:54 pm
#5582
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: IL
Posts: 270
Interesting. At least we know now and can quit the scolding and speculation.
Nice spin job though, travel packages have a 1 year validity, meaning that the peak values they are showing in the table will be applicable less than 50% of the time since those only go into effect next year. That table should have been based on standard night value, or if you are going to include max you should include min as well.
I encourage those who feel they weren't treated fairly, to do something (social media, BBB complaint, etc) and not whine here. That was effective for SPG LTPs.
Some assess based on points value, I base it on old to new hotel coverage. Here are those results:
Cat5- 99%
Cat6- 70%
Cat7- 97%
Cat8- 69%
Cat9- 76%
T3- 83%
T5- 21% *after next year
Cat6 and Cat8 not only lost 30% of hotels, but also unnecessarily paid 30k more. Cat9, the 'winner', lost 24% of hotels. T5 next year loses 79%.
Nice spin job though, travel packages have a 1 year validity, meaning that the peak values they are showing in the table will be applicable less than 50% of the time since those only go into effect next year. That table should have been based on standard night value, or if you are going to include max you should include min as well.
I encourage those who feel they weren't treated fairly, to do something (social media, BBB complaint, etc) and not whine here. That was effective for SPG LTPs.
Some assess based on points value, I base it on old to new hotel coverage. Here are those results:
Cat5- 99%
Cat6- 70%
Cat7- 97%
Cat8- 69%
Cat9- 76%
T3- 83%
T5- 21% *after next year
Cat6 and Cat8 not only lost 30% of hotels, but also unnecessarily paid 30k more. Cat9, the 'winner', lost 24% of hotels. T5 next year loses 79%.
Aug 18, 2018, 2:58 pm
#5583
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Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: EWR/PHL/BWI
Posts: 4,412
For the lower tier hotels, you should have downgraded the Cat-6 TP, or dummy book the stay with points. Then you can try to change and re-attach again.
Anyhow. I do not think all are final yet. This is still the first day of the black-out.
Aug 18, 2018, 2:59 pm
#5584
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
As someone who is not afraid to admit it. You are right that I was wrong about a certificate conversion. However, you also confirmed for me that an old Category 9 will not be a New Category 7. Thank you. 
5 out of six predictions isn't too bad.
I don't understand why some people are upset. If you can't afford to loose on a gamble, you shouldn't have gambled at all. The value is similar, expecting anything more is reckless. Had you attached your certificate you would have been able to request a refund of points where your reservation now requires fewer. People were encouraged to "atrach" their certificates in the old program for maximum benefit. If you didn't, should you expect maximum benefit?
Whatever you are feeling today, self inflicted or not, at least you have a whole month to look over the properties and choose that perfect vacation spot. Tier 4-5, enjoy your Bora Bora or Maldives stay. There won't be a lot of competition from the irrational thinkers, just as I had predicted.
Have a wonderful weekend everyone.
James
5 out of six predictions isn't too bad.I don't understand why some people are upset. If you can't afford to loose on a gamble, you shouldn't have gambled at all. The value is similar, expecting anything more is reckless. Had you attached your certificate you would have been able to request a refund of points where your reservation now requires fewer. People were encouraged to "atrach" their certificates in the old program for maximum benefit. If you didn't, should you expect maximum benefit?
Whatever you are feeling today, self inflicted or not, at least you have a whole month to look over the properties and choose that perfect vacation spot. Tier 4-5, enjoy your Bora Bora or Maldives stay. There won't be a lot of competition from the irrational thinkers, just as I had predicted.
Have a wonderful weekend everyone.
James
Aug 18, 2018, 3:04 pm
#5585
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: BOS
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Posts: 2,028
It says that Tier 4-5 will be valid for a Category 7 property. My sense is that this is irregardless of the fact that Category 8 properties are bookable at Category 7 rates through EOY. Instead, I am interpreting it as only actual Category 7 properties can be booked. The “Max 70K” on the new chart implies peak pricing of Category 7, and similarly for Tier 1-3 (I don’t believe we can use Tier 1-3 certificates at 60K Category 7 properties just because the new chart says “max 60k”, as that is refering to peak Category 6 pricing).
Aug 18, 2018, 3:04 pm
#5586
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: ANC
Programs: AS, UA, IHG, HH,
Posts: 171
Another Cat8 loser here, I was planning on using at Maui Sheraton or Westin but will need to figure something else out now. I sure wish I would of just spent the extra 30k points and got the Cat9.
Aug 18, 2018, 3:08 pm
#5587
Join Date: Jan 2011
Programs: Alaska mvp G, AA Exec Plat, Marriott/SPG platinum, United Silver, Delta Silver, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 165
So is there a definitive answer on whether or not we can use them to book SPG properties. I am looking at the Bangkok Athenee collection which will be a cat 4 in Marriott new system. Thanks
Aug 18, 2018, 3:10 pm
#5588
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 1,411
Here's where I think it's different: Marriott knew what they were going to do (not like a regular bet where no one knows the outcome in advance). People gave them 30,000 points to upgrade from 1-5 to 6, from 7 to 8, and from 9 to Tier 1-3 in the last few days. Yes, many were gambling that they would get higher value. But Marriott knew they were getting nothing for their 30,000 points and took the points anyway. Why would a business do that to its customers? Are you really defending that?
Aug 18, 2018, 3:12 pm
#5589
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 86
I am not sure what clever point you think you are making, but having been told over the phone at the time of purchase by the telephone rep that I would be able to upgrade at will, I am not amused by this. It means I was induced to enter into the contact to purchase by a misrepresentation. The loss of this flexibility - if true - would be the biggest devaluation of the certificate.
Aug 18, 2018, 3:12 pm
#5590
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: ANC
Programs: AS, UA, IHG, HH,
Posts: 171
Nothing definitive about this merger but yes we knew what category SPG properties were going to convert to and today answered the question of where old TP's will convert.
Aug 18, 2018, 3:15 pm
#5591
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NY Metro
Programs: SPG Titanium, United Premier 1K
Posts: 1,600
I can bet that all the one time upgrades would go into Catgory 9. If they allowed that I would do it also as i would only have to add 120k points and would get a value of 360,000 points (plus 5th night free) and my total points cost for air miles and hotel would have only been 390k. So basically i would be paying 30k points for 120k or 132k air miles. Yeah, like they are going to let people do that. Again, I will do it I just dont think they are going to allow it.
Aug 18, 2018, 3:26 pm
#5592
Join Date: Jan 2011
Programs: Alaska mvp G, AA Exec Plat, Marriott/SPG platinum, United Silver, Delta Silver, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 165
Yeah I’m just wondering if I can use the travel package for the SPG properties coming into the network. I have three cat 5’s 7 day legacy certificates. They were cat 6’s. I downgraded them all And unattached before yesterday. I’m either going to stay at the atheenee or the Renaissance Bangkok. Both of which are cat4 hotels in the new system.
Aug 18, 2018, 3:33 pm
#5593
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,431
I also bought a cat 8 thinking it would map to a new 6. I attached it to a cat 6 but I can’t keep that reservation on that date. Do we know if I can keep the same hotel if I reschedule it to a later date? Or will rescheduling effectively “reset” my cert and drop me to a Cat 5?
Aug 18, 2018, 3:34 pm
#5594
Join Date: Dec 2004
Programs: UA-1K, MM, Hilton-Diamond, Marriott-Titanium
Posts: 4,423
Where are all the bloggers who predicted windfalls? I have only seen one comment on the new award chart.
Aug 18, 2018, 3:38 pm
#5595
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: ORD-DTW
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Posts: 174
I don't get it why Marriott tries to irritate so many loyal customers on the first day of the new company?
You are not a casino company, don't force people to gamble.
If you had published the "mapping" months ago, everyone would be calm and well prepared now.
You are not a casino company, don't force people to gamble.
If you had published the "mapping" months ago, everyone would be calm and well prepared now.
