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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.

The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider

Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:

Go to https://www.marriott.com/marriott/contact.mi

Select “Packages - Deals” from the “Topic” drop down menu
Submit your request

As a reminder, status.marriott.com will periodically have additional updates.
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html

The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.

Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:

"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html

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Jul 12, 2018, 5:17 am

#3766

craigthemif

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Join Date: Aug 2011

Location: Barcelona, London, on a plane

Programs: BA Silver, TK E+, AA PP, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott LT Plat, Hilton Diamond

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joesph

hi all, I decided to redeem 270k Marriott points to 120k alaska and 7 nights. When I called the agent offered 5 nights package instead of 7 nights and insisted that it is available to public. Anyway l, this was on Sunday, July 1st and the 5 nights certificate showed up right away but no alaska miles as of today July 10th. Any other experience with alaska lately? Appreciate any input. I don’t want to call Marriott in case they change my package to 7 nights.

FWIW there are also multiple reports in the UK of 5-night packages being freely available.

https://insideflyer.co.uk/2018/07/co...rriott-points/

Jul 12, 2018, 5:43 am

#3767

tth6133

Join Date: Mar 2014

Posts: 546

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigthemif

FWIW there are also multiple reports in the UK of 5-night packages being freely available.

https://insideflyer.co.uk/2018/07/co...rriott-points/

If TP certs are to be converted to new certs post August, a 5-night cert would certainly be more usable than 7-night cert. However, if TP certs are, however unlikely, converted to points sufficient for the number of nights post August, then a 7-night package would actually be better as you'll actually get more points back than the additional cost in points for the package.

Jul 12, 2018, 8:47 am

#3768

pinniped

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Location: MCI

Programs: AA Gold 1MM, AS MVP, UA Silver, WN A-List, Marriott LT Titanium, HH Diamond

Posts: 52,572

Quote:

Originally Posted by tth6133

At the new rate at which FF miles are awarded, it no longer matters much.

In the "old" world, I traditionally thought of a Marriott point as worth 1 cent when I redeemed it for a hotel. That's held roughly true for me through the old Marriott categories. The FF miles side I just call 1.5 cents per point in the absence of a very specific need for a particular FF mile. Both of these are conservative, taking into account that I'm often redeeming TPs without a specific need for an exact hotel or flight.

Thus, an "old" Travel Package made my Marriott points worth somewhere in the 1.2 to 1.3 cent range, redeeming in the Cat 5-8 range, because of the 1:1 nature of the FF mile conversion.

The new world, unfortunately, requires me to redeem 150k MR to get 100k miles. (Or more!) So the air miles side has now dropped to or below the value I get from hotels.

So at the end of the day, I might as well just redeem 5-night hotel stays. I like them better than 7-night stays anyway, and I'm no longer getting a substantial "bonus" in terms of the value in miles in the Travel Package. The only reason I might redeem an occasional TP in the future is that I have a ton of Hilton and Hyatt points and certificates, and adding a bunch of Marriott nights becomes overkill at some point. But now I have to trade off value to get airline miles, which is disappointing considering how beloved the TP's always were in the old Marriott system.

Jul 12, 2018, 9:12 am

#3769

ctownflyer

Join Date: Feb 2004

Location: CLE

Programs: UA GS+LT UC, AA EXP+LT PLT, Fairmont LT PLT, Marriott PLT, Hilton DIA, Hyatt Glob, Avis CHM

Posts: 4,671

I made a chart on my blog mapping out 3 scenarios of how Marriott might map out the 7 levels of current certificates:
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-tra...advantage-now/

I do wish they would just announce their plans, but it seems like they probably won't do so until after it's too late to buy the current packages.

Jul 12, 2018, 10:07 am

#3770

MasterGeek

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I suspect Marriott are holding off announcing the details about travel package certificates conversion and delaying it to the last minute. The conversion will be lucrative and Marriott doesn't want to cause a run on those certs before August changes come into effect.

Jul 12, 2018, 11:17 am

#3771

ctownflyer

Join Date: Feb 2004

Location: CLE

Programs: UA GS+LT UC, AA EXP+LT PLT, Fairmont LT PLT, Marriott PLT, Hilton DIA, Hyatt Glob, Avis CHM

Posts: 4,671

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterGeek

Sounds right.
The real question is do I buy Tier 1-3 or Tier 4-5?
And will Marriott allow exchanges between cert categories after the current ones are discontinued?

Jul 12, 2018, 1:45 pm

#3772

craigthemif

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterGeek

They don't need to say anything about the conversion rate. TPs are already going to be hugely devalued in August and this is public knowledge.

Au contraire... if they're planning to screw us with a mere 45K refund, then it's in their interest to keep that quiet so we keep ordering TPs under the current rules...

Jul 12, 2018, 1:49 pm

#3773

tth6133

Join Date: Mar 2014

Posts: 546

Starwood Lurker posted the following today regarding TP on the SPG forum:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starwood Lurker

I posted this on June 19th:

There will be more details to come on this soon. <added by Starwood Lurker 19Jun18 >

Nothing further has come through since then, so you may very well have to wait until the programs are combined.

Best regards,

William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts LLC

[email protected]

We'll be running blind for the next couple of weeks.

Jul 12, 2018, 1:53 pm

#3774

khlay

Join Date: Jan 2007

Location: SJC/SFO

Posts: 295

Quote:

Originally Posted by tth6133

We'll be running blind for the next couple of weeks.

I take it as a good sign.

Jul 12, 2018, 6:58 pm

#3775

vandesa

Join Date: Jan 2002

Location: IAH TX USA

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ok that was a waste of a hour I will never get back. Which number do you suggest calling. I called the number of the Marriott page and they do not know what is going on over there. First told dialed wrong number, the website was wrong. Then told I did dial right as things has changed. Then got my hotel set up and when they tried to price the points the total was wrong. Then they passed me to someone who said I could not get a 5 night rewards as I was NOT a MVC owners.

So I bailed on a 1 hr call, and I will have to do it again. Anyone else having issues on a 5 night.