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CPRich Sep 27, 2012 4:07 pm

I went with SPG - the combination of high-end properties and non-US locations for vacation travel compliments the MR benefit of ubiquity for US business travel.

SkiAdcock Sep 28, 2012 9:14 am


Originally Posted by kit125 (Post 19396432)
I agree with coverage but disagree with the "weakness" of the program.....PC/AMB is my secondary chain and they would be my primary chain if my company wasn't so tied to Marriott. The RA status has been very good to me over the years (automatic upgrade to suites, free minibar, free movies). Even before I was RA, I found that I never had to ask for any amenity due to me (upgrades, breakfast, internet, etc). And it's quite easy to achieve status and I find they are much easier to use points and the value of points is better. Over time, I've been elite with Hilton and Hyatt, and I'm still far happier with IC.

If I understand the program directly, one doesn't get RA status from regular PC property stays, just the Intercontinentals? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone is looking for a secondary program & isn't going to be staying at ICs a lot, the comparison to RA isn't totally accurate/an apples to apples comparison. BTW - I do agree that RA status is quite nice. Does the no elite bennie at PCs when on award stays also apply to RAs or is that just to regular PC award stays?

Cheers.

DCA13 Sep 28, 2012 9:44 am


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 19396507)
I went with SPG - the combination of high-end properties and non-US locations for vacation travel compliments the MR benefit of ubiquity for US business travel.

This is what I've decided to do after researching and reading everyone's comments - I am just waiting to line up enough MR points for a Cat.5 travel award and then I'll likely shift some of my stays over to SPG - I also need to time it so I can snap up the SPG Amex and meet the spending limits. My work travel will continue to (mostly) be Marriott, at least enough to maintain status, while I'll toss and remaining stays to SPG properties that exceed what I'd expect to get at FS Marriotts. That's the plan at least...

hhoope01 Sep 28, 2012 1:34 pm


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 19400820)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone is looking for a secondary program & isn't going to be staying at ICs a lot, the comparison to RA isn't totally accurate/an apples to apples comparison.

Not only that, but there is a fee to get into the Ambassador program (i.e. $150 I do believe.)

I was talking about the benefits of the PC elite program (of which Ambassador is not really a part of.)

SkiAdcock Sep 28, 2012 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by hhoope01 (Post 19402582)
Not only that, but there is a fee to get into the Ambassador program (i.e. $150 I do believe.)

I was talking about the benefits of the PC elite program (of which Ambassador is not really a part of.)

I figured you were talking about PC, but kit125 was talking about RA & I didn't think the RA program was an apples to apples, & your PC was more so.

Cheers.

wxguy Sep 28, 2012 5:29 pm


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 19403087)
I figured you were talking about PC, but kit125 was talking about RA & I didn't think the RA program was an apples to apples, & your PC was more so.

Cheers.

The problem with PC (and AMB) is that there are no corporate rules. Each hotel has discretion to provide bennies as it sees fit. You never know what you're going to get from property to property, and even from stay to stay. For example, as a PC/Plat, the Times Square Crowne Plaza used to give CL access on award stays. Now it doesn't. In fact, it doesn't on some paid stays. And this is totally within the "rules," as the hotel and its management can decide what it wants to do -- and that's wholly within corporate guidelines.

We may not like some of the rules that Marriott has, but at least we know what they are!

I have PC/Plat thanks to my $49/year credit card (that includes an annual free night systemwide) - a great deal. But I use the chain only when I have to or it makes the most sense from a price/location basis. Now that AMB renewal for InterCons has gone from $100 to $150 a year, I'm dropping it.

SkiAdcock Sep 29, 2012 7:23 am


Originally Posted by wxguy (Post 19403888)
The problem with PC (and AMB) is that there are no corporate rules. Each hotel has discretion to provide bennies as it sees fit. You never know what you're going to get from property to property, and even from stay to stay. For example, as a PC/Plat, the Times Square Crowne Plaza used to give CL access on award stays. Now it doesn't. In fact, it doesn't on some paid stays. And this is totally within the "rules," as the hotel and its management can decide what it wants to do -- and that's wholly within corporate guidelines.

We may not like some of the rules that Marriott has, but at least we know what they are!

I have PC/Plat thanks to my $49/year credit card (that includes an annual free night systemwide) - a great deal. But I use the chain only when I have to or it makes the most sense from a price/location basis. Now that AMB renewal for InterCons has gone from $100 to $150 a year, I'm dropping it.

Agree (underlining mine), and now that you've mentioned some of the drawbacks of PC I think I'll keep Hilton as my back-up. Although some FTers have been going for Club Carlson lately.

Cheers.

kit125 Sep 29, 2012 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 19400820)
If I understand the program directly, one doesn't get RA status from regular PC property stays, just the Intercontinentals? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone is looking for a secondary program & isn't going to be staying at ICs a lot, the comparison to RA isn't totally accurate/an apples to apples comparison. BTW - I do agree that RA status is quite nice. Does the no elite bennie at PCs when on award stays also apply to RAs or is that just to regular PC award stays?

Cheers.

I achieved RA status by spending most of my life at the time in a Holiday Inn Express. YMMV.

I have never had benefits denied, paid or award stays.

kit125 Sep 29, 2012 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by wxguy (Post 19403888)
Now that AMB renewal for InterCons has gone from $100 to $150 a year, I'm dropping it.

I've heard that some people have had succuess calling and complaining about the increase to get a few months for free. Once upon a time, you could also renew with points. Not sure if that's an option anymore.

kit125 Sep 29, 2012 12:50 pm


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 19400820)
If I understand the program directly, one doesn't get RA status from regular PC property stays, just the Intercontinentals? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone is looking for a secondary program & isn't going to be staying at ICs a lot, the comparison to RA isn't totally accurate/an apples to apples comparison. BTW - I do agree that RA status is quite nice. Does the no elite bennie at PCs when on award stays also apply to RAs or is that just to regular PC award stays?

Cheers.

This reminds me....even though it's been a really long time since i was just a PC PLT, I was always very happy with the program. It's SUPER easy to earn -- and use -- points with PC. It's also easy to keep status. I will admit, it seemed that some non-IC properties had some discretion in what amenities they offered, the PLT points bonus and the wide variety of uses for points (e.,g. hotels anywhere, gift certificates at very competitve redemption) was worth it to me. The biggest perk of all, to me, was RECOGNITION. I was/am always greeted as a loyal member of their program and given benefits accordingly, without asking. Again, it all depends on personal preferences. Oh, and another postive is the current arrangement with Top Guest. If you check in to a property using your Facebook or Foursquare account, you get 50 points per day, even if you're not staying there. (This works out as the Renaissance my company requires me to stay is directly next door to a Crowne Plaza. ;))

For the HH folks, how can you be happy with a program what will allow your earned points to expire? That's what really turned me off to them. But again, I guess it's about personal preference.

submonte Sep 29, 2012 2:00 pm


Originally Posted by DCA13 (Post 19381128)
All,
I am currently Platinum at Marriott, and it's far and away my number one choice of programs. I travel extensively for work and I value consistency and availability over all else (I never know if I'll be in L.A. or Cedar Rapids, for example) While I will continue to steer all my work travel, and significant personal travel into Marriott, I do like the idea of aspirational redemptions to places like Thailand, French Polyneisa, Europe, etc. In that regard, and since I've hit Platinum already, I'm thinking of steering some stays towards another chain - accompanied by getting that branded credit card as well. I'm leaning towards Hilton or Starwoods, but Hyatt's two free weekend night signup bonus is tempting.

Without starting a flame war, can anyone who is a similar situation give me some pros and cons from their experience? Thanks in advance.

If I were you I would chose places for redemption stays in Europe, Asia or where ever youŽd like to go and decide upon these conclusions.

e.g.

Cannes, France - IC Carlton / go for PC Amb., if you do not prefer the JW

Venice, Italy - Hilton Molino Stucky / go for HH, but there is a Boscolo too

Berlin, Germany - Hilton Berlin or W=A / go for HH, best locations in Berlin

Maldives - Conrad

Supercub17 Nov 22, 2012 10:11 am


Originally Posted by DCA13 (Post 19381128)
All,
I am currently Platinum at Marriott, and it's far and away my number one choice of programs. I travel extensively for work and I value consistency and availability over all else (I never know if I'll be in L.A. or Cedar Rapids, for example) While I will continue to steer all my work travel, and significant personal travel into Marriott, I do like the idea of aspirational redemptions to places like Thailand, French Polyneisa, Europe, etc. In that regard, and since I've hit Platinum already, I'm thinking of steering some stays towards another chain - accompanied by getting that branded credit card as well. I'm leaning towards Hilton or Starwoods, but Hyatt's two free weekend night signup bonus is tempting.

Without starting a flame war, can anyone who is a similar situation give me some pros and cons from their experience? Thanks in advance.

Marriott is actually my "secondary" program choice after Hyatt.


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