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BKKLEE Jul 18, 2012 10:24 pm

LNFs being combined - mandatory?
 
:td: made 5 seperate reservations for 5-consecutive nights (next year) at same hotel and plan to later CXL 2-nights once flight reservations can be booked..... Best Available Rates were not the same for each night (ranging from 10,000 to 13,00RUB/night), however I did find a comparison site offering the same hotel over the same 5-nights each for less (all nights at 9000RUB) then the BAR rates originally booked..........
Filed an LNF claim one at a time for each of the 5 reservations.....
Received a positive response from LNF that my LNF was approved for the total 5-nights however they UNILATERALLY aggregated the 5 seperate reservations into a single 5-night reservation......

When I replied to LNF folks that I wanted to maintain the 5-SEPERATE reservations they replied that according to the T&Cs that consecutive nights must be aggregated and site Rule 8, "Comparison Rates applicable to only a portion of your entire scheduled stay will not be honored."
Now I'm only a lawyer for nearly 30-yrs so obviously I have no idea of how to read, but my understanding of their cited rule would mean if you had 3-seperate reservations with LNFs approved only on first and third but not second night that you could not use the approval of nights 1 & 3 to validate an LNF rate for night #2, but I'm open to any comments from FT'ers.......

DFWsakp Jul 18, 2012 10:29 pm

LNFs being combined - mandatory?
 
What site did u use for comparison?

MSPeconomist Jul 18, 2012 10:32 pm

Did your comparison rate require a minimum stay?

BKKLEE Jul 18, 2012 10:37 pm

no........... and as previously stated, that's why I was easily able to book the nights 1-by-1........ and then filed LNFs 1-by-1 too..........


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 18959376)
Did your comparison rate require a minimum stay?


Twickenham Jul 18, 2012 10:43 pm

I just had a 2-night LNF rate stay at the Algonquin NY, which was booked as 2 1-night stays due to different comparison rates. Everything was kept separate, to the point that I paid for the 1st night the morning after (using gift cards), and had to have my key cards re-coded. They also posted separately on my MR account.

The one time I had a hotel combine a reservation like this, I had booked 2 different rates, and the combined reservation reverted to the higher rate. After politely hitting the roof, I got them to re-separate the reservations. I suggest you do the same.

BKKLEE Jul 19, 2012 12:21 am

sounds like you were 1 for 1 and after the hotel did their thing wound up 2-0........great, now if ONLY I could get the LNF Department to understand what they did was NOT required, by their rule cited or any other rule.............. if I can't then I guess my 2nd course of action is to get the hotel to seperate the aggregated 5-nights into 5-seperate reservations (as they were originally made)............now if only I knew cyrillic!!


Originally Posted by Twickenham (Post 18959408)
I just had a 2-night LNF rate stay at the Algonquin NY, which was booked as 2 1-night stays due to different comparison rates. Everything was kept separate, to the point that I paid for the 1st night the morning after (using gift cards), and had to have my key cards re-coded. They also posted separately on my MR account.

The one time I had a hotel combine a reservation like this, I had booked 2 different rates, and the combined reservation reverted to the higher rate. After politely hitting the roof, I got them to re-separate the reservations. I suggest you do the same.


NDDomer86 Jul 19, 2012 2:38 am

I hear pulling a DYKWIA like certain people on this site always seem to do in the threads works magnificently ;)

GlennTheBaker Jul 19, 2012 2:52 am

I've had an LNF rate for 3 nights before (although it was booked as such) and when I had to cut the trip short by 1 day, I emailed Customer Care and they amended it without any charge or fuss so when you know your dates for sure, try that.

BKKLEE Jul 19, 2012 3:09 am

THXs - I'd easily opt for this (simple) option if I hadn't tried to cut short a previous LNF over a period of nights that I also wanted to cut short only to be informed that this could only be done IF the comparison sites rates were still valid........... that's why I wanted 5-SEPERATE reservations so once I had flights available (and I have no control over when SU will post them so I can buy them - might be tomorrow, but might also not be for several months) I could just CXL the nights 1-by-1 that I wouldn't be using and no problems asking CS which might not do what you're suggesting......


Originally Posted by GlennTheBaker (Post 18960074)
I've had an LNF rate for 3 nights before (although it was booked as such) and when I had to cut the trip short by 1 day, I emailed Customer Care and they amended it without any charge or fuss so when you know your dates for sure, try that.


djohannw Jul 19, 2012 6:52 am

A colleague of mine had this happen too - he just redid the claims, somebody else accepted them and had no problem with this. Seems that there is one single person at the LNF-desk making up his or her own rules once in a while...

Greetings - Dirk

BostonFlyer1624 Jul 19, 2012 10:05 am

You've read the rule incorrectly.

It means if you book ONE reservation that is 3-nights long, with an average of say, $100/night, you can't go online and find a website that offers one of those nights at < $100 and use that to validate your LNF claim. You need to look at the cost being charges for all 3 nights.

nacho Jul 19, 2012 11:27 am


Originally Posted by djohannw (Post 18960824)
A colleague of mine had this happen too - he just redid the claims, somebody else accepted them and had no problem with this. Seems that there is one single person at the LNF-desk making up his or her own rules once in a while...

Greetings - Dirk

I agree with Dirk - this is purely the staff that handles your case misinterpreted the rule. This has happened to me all the times - wrong calculation, deny my claim because they don't know what they are doing......

One thing I have experienced all the time - you have 1 shot to argue against your case. I tried it with 2 email exchanges, their mind are set no matter what you said.

So I'd file another series of claims if I were you - since your stay won't be until next year, sometimes you can even score lower rate that you have to file another claim anyway.

NJUPINTHEAIR Jul 19, 2012 11:46 am

I have had them do that to me, as well. I was under the assumption that they could be split off at a later date, if you did not want them all. I am assuming that they are being booked under the same name/account number.

BKKLEE Jul 19, 2012 4:05 pm

and this WAS done, night-by-night, all of which had the same lower rate found against various higher rates night-by-night, so show me where there's this rule that once each LNF claim is approved one-by-one that afterwards they MUST be aggregated cause it sure isn't the one being cited (and it sure isn't any of the others either)..........


Originally Posted by BostonFlyer1624 (Post 18962006)
You've read the rule incorrectly.

It means if you book ONE reservation that is 3-nights long, with an average of say, $100/night, you can't go online and find a website that offers one of those nights at < $100 and use that to validate your LNF claim. You need to look at the cost being charges for all 3 nights.


BKKLEE Jul 19, 2012 4:09 pm

yes, same name/MR acct number and befiore I was previously "burned" I also was under the assumption that an approved say 5-nighter (all at the same approved lower price) could be cut down to 3-nights, but after being burned last time found out that my assumption wasn't correct, thus this time I made the initial reservations 1-by-1, filed individual LNFs 1-by-1, but when they were approved, the approver DEMANDED to aggregate them into a signle reservation.........


Originally Posted by NJUPINTHEAIR (Post 18962718)
I have had them do that to me, as well. I was under the assumption that they could be split off at a later date, if you did not want them all. I am assuming that they are being booked under the same name/account number.



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