FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   Marriott | Rewards (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marriott-rewards-427/)
-   -   Marriott Rewards Points for small money (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marriott-rewards/1335689-marriott-rewards-points-small-money.html)

pafort Apr 18, 2012 5:39 pm


Originally Posted by TallestHotelInJapan (Post 18411848)
Hmmm? I thought the requirements are
a) Twelve years membership (with at least one year in the requested status)
b) 1,000 nights
c) 2 m MR points

Is there also a certain number of stays required?
  • Twelve years of membership will be possible, I have now been in the program since 2006. 1,000 night credits will be possible.
  • I stated to hold weekly meetings in my local CY (instead of my local Regus office).
  • 2 m points? That's the big problem for me...

Do I see something wrong? Why should I not collect and buy every possible MR point?

You can buy at MVCI, 2 week platinum in european resort and you receive 600.000 MR.

Paolo

iflyjetz Apr 19, 2012 11:01 am


Originally Posted by sdsearch (Post 18419091)
You don't have to have 2m MR points in your account. You only need to have ever earned lifetime 2m MR points, whether they're still there or not. (Lifetime points are all the points you've earned since you became a Marriott Rewards member, whether you redeemed them since or not.)

How can you not have a big start on lifetime MR points if you have such a big head start on 12 years and 1000 nights? Were you always earning miles on all your stays? :confused:

2m points is 2000 points for each of 1000 nights. At 10 points/$ (at many of the brands), you'd automatically have that if you earned points (rather than nights) on all your stays and paid $200/night on average, assuming no bonuses ever. If you particpated in bonuses, you'd get 2m points on 1000 nights at a signficantly lower cost-per-night average.

SDSearch, the OP is accumulating nights by having meetings at his local Courtyard. On another thread, he mentioned that he'll have 20 meetings this year. That gives him 200 nights, 125 of which will roll over. So over the course of 2 years, he will have accumulated 325 lifetime nights by hosting 20 meetings.
Where he will fall painfully short is on lifetime point accumulation. I suggested that he may want to consider buying a Marriott timeshare on the resale market in order to accumulate additional MR points. I don't know the mechanics of it but Paolo's post states that a purchase could give him 600,000 MR points. My question in this matter is whether or not it applies to buying a Marriott timeshare off of ebay. If so, I think that's the least expensive way for the OP to earn a ton of MR points.

tbm13 Apr 19, 2012 11:55 am


Originally Posted by pafort (Post 18419298)
You can buy at MVCI, 2 week platinum in european resort and you receive 600.000 MR.

How much would that approximately cost?

iflyjetz Apr 19, 2012 12:19 pm

OK, I just called Marriott to confirm my lifetime point totals. It was 50,000 less points than I thought. So I started to look at buying a resale Marriott timeshare. I have concluded that, due to high maintenance fees (I can't find any under $1000/yr), it's not worth pursuing that path for points.

I may end up buying points to get to the 2M point level. I'll look at it closer in 2013.

sdsearch Apr 19, 2012 4:52 pm


Originally Posted by TallestHotelInJapan (Post 18401688)
I want to find a way to collect for as little money as possible 2,000,000 (i.e. 2m) Marriott points in order to get the lifetime status.

On more thing: You need 2m lifetime poitns for lifetime Platinum, but only 1.5m lifetime points for lifetime Gold.

Most of the benefits of Platinum (breakfast, upgrades, internet, etc) are already also benefits of Gold. For most properties, these are the only three adidtional Platinum benefits, per the Marriott elite T&Cs site:
Additional Platinum Membership Benefits:

1. Guaranteed Platinum Arrival Gift is available at all participating Marriott hotel brands. See below for Platinum Arrival Gift options by brand:

Brand Gift

JW Marriott, Autograph
Collection, Renaissance Hotels,
Marriott Hotels & Resorts 500 bonus points or Food & Beverage amenity

Courtyard (U.S. & Canada),
SpringHill Suites, Residence
Inn 200 bonus points or Food & Beverage amenity

AC Hotels, Courtyard
(outside U.S. & Canada) 250 bonus points or Food & Beverage amenity

Fairfield Inn & Suites,
TownePlace Suites 200 bonus points or Food & Beverage amenity

Marriott Vacation Club 500 bonus points

EDITION 500 bonus points or 250 air miles


2. 48-hour Guaranteed Availability: Limited to Platinum Member's personal guestroom. Guaranteed room availability for reservations booked at least 48 hours prior to arrival available at all participating Marriott hotel brands except Marriott Vacation Club. 48-Hour Guaranteed Availability may not be available on certain limited dates (e.g., special events). Benefit cannot be used in conjunction with award usage or any type of promotional or discounted rates. For Residence Inn and TownePlace Suites, 48 Hour Guaranteed Availability applies to studio rooms only.

3. Platinum Elite Reservations Line: Exclusive reservations number available for Platinum Elite Members (U.S. and Canada only):
* Marriott Rewards members call: 800-399-4229
* The Ritz-Carlton Rewards members call: 800-277-0517
If you have relatively few lifetime points so far, just getting to lifetime Gold you'll end up with so many points, will it really be imporatnt to you if you earn a few hundred more bonus points per paid stay after that for being Plat compared to not earning those few hundred more bonus points per paid stay as Gold? How often do you need to "force" a reservation with 48-hour guarantee availability? (I think only a small fraction of people who have that benefit, in any program, use it.) Finally, if you're not in the US and Canada, you don't even get that special reservation number! But did you really need it???

Thus, I suggest you re-evaluate whether it's worth the cost of getting 0.5m (500,000) extra lifetime points to get lifetime Platinum, if for just 1.5m lifetime points you can get lifetime Gold.

(Also, keep in mind that, as the post above points out, if you're going to do 20 meetings this year, you're going to Platinum anyway for at least three years; this year and next year due to 200 nights earned this year, the year after that due to 125 nights rolling over to next year'searnings. So even if this is your last year of meetings at Courtyards, you won't have to worry about lifetime status until 2015! And for every additional year you do 10+ meetings, that extends it an additional year before you have to worry about lifetime status!)

tbm13 Apr 20, 2012 5:29 am


Originally Posted by sdsearch (Post 18425670)
On more thing: You need 2m lifetime poitns for lifetime Platinum, but only 1.5m lifetime points for lifetime Gold.

I believe the requirement for lifetime Gold is 1.6m points. In any case, I think you're making a very valid point on the merits of lifetime Gold vs Platinum.

TallestHotelInJapan Apr 23, 2012 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by sdsearch (Post 18425670)
Most of the benefits of Platinum (breakfast, upgrades, internet, etc) are already also benefits of Gold. For most properties, these are the only three adidtional Platinum benefits, per the Marriott elite T&Cs site:

...

Thus, I suggest you re-evaluate whether it's worth the cost of getting 0.5m (500,000) extra lifetime points to get lifetime Platinum, if for just 1.5m lifetime points you can get lifetime Gold.

(Also, keep in mind that, as the post above points out, if you're going to do 20 meetings this year, you're going to Platinum anyway for at least three years; this year and next year due to 200 nights earned this year, the year after that due to 125 nights rolling over to next year'searnings. So even if this is your last year of meetings at Courtyards, you won't have to worry about lifetime status until 2015! And for every additional year you do 10+ meetings, that extends it an additional year before you have to worry about lifetime status!)

Your points are very valid. I believe Gold is good enough. And yet, it is still difficult to get 1.5 m points :)

GenevaFlyer Apr 23, 2012 4:13 pm


Originally Posted by iflyjetz (Post 18423918)
... So I started to look at buying a resale Marriott timeshare. I have concluded that, due to high maintenance fees (I can't find any under $1000/yr), it's not worth pursuing that path for points.
...

In any case, IIRC, if you buy a resale timeshare, you may not get the ability to convert your week to points. In addition, the 600K bonus mentioned is for those who purchase directly from MVCI, not through resale.

Cheers,

GenevaFlyer

sdsearch Apr 23, 2012 7:55 pm


Originally Posted by TallestHotelInJapan (Post 18448249)
Your points are very valid. I believe Gold is good enough. And yet, it is still difficult to get 1.5 m points :)

How many lifetime points, lifetime nights, and years do you currently have?

I find it hard to believe that you only just recently switch to earning nights via meetings, yet are far along the way for your lifetime nights count, yet have zero (0) lifetime points. I don't see how this is possible unless you always earned miles on every single stay (before the stay credits from meetings started to accumulate recently).

The whole lifetime program is structured on the assumption that you earn many (if not most) of your nights with stays (and only a fraction of them in other ways, including meetings), and in turn that you don't choose to earn miles on every single stay.

Getting points without earning a good chunk of them on (paid) "natural" stays is difficult to make cost-effective (at least for those outside the US who cannot earn points through the credit card).

kds4 May 1, 2012 1:04 pm

[QUOTE=iflyjetz;18412914]I don't know if this will work, but I think that you can buy a Marriott timeshare and convert your interest in the property to Marriott Rewards points. There are resale timeshares available on ebay for low prices. I'll let someone else more familiar with this to comment; I may be giving you bad information.

MVCI (Marriott) Timeshares ownerships are convertible to MR points under limited circumstances. The owner either had to purchase directly from Marriott (which is no longer possible as Marriott has gotten out of the business of selling tangible fractional/weeks ownerships and now sells only intangible 'points') or you could purchase a week on the resale market (FSBO/broker offered). However, these resale weeks are also only eligible for conversion to MR points under 2 conditions. First, you must have purchased the resale week before a date in June of 2010 AND you must pay a fee to MVCI (Marriott) to 'enroll' that resale week in their new Destination Club 'points' program. The enrollment fee will be spiking dramatically next month, but that's another conversation entirely.

In a nutshell, if the OP doesn't already own a timeshare week bought directly from Marriott (when Marriott was still selling weeks) or own a resale week purchased before a particular day in June of 2010 (I forget the exact day); they will be unable to convert a Marriott timeshare week to MR points (at least until such time as Marriott changes the rules (which they never do, except when they do.)

Sidenote - The conversion of a timeshare week to MRPs is a significant benefit of owning this Marriott product, IMHO. I am able to do this with one of my Marriott timeshare weeks. I can convert it to MR points every other year, and receive 125,000 MR points each time I do.

GenevaFlyer May 1, 2012 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by kds4 (Post 18493739)
...MVCI (Marriott) Timeshares ownerships are convertible to MR points under limited circumstances. The owner either had to purchase directly from Marriott (which is no longer possible as Marriott has gotten out of the business of selling tangible fractional/weeks ownerships and now sells only intangible 'points') ...

Last time I checked (not too long ago), some of the MVCI properties (in Spain among others) were still selling weeks (and it is still not possible to switch from the week system to the points system at those properties)

Cheers,

GenevaFlyer

nova08 May 1, 2012 2:48 pm


Originally Posted by TallestHotelInJapan (Post 18393573)
Marriott cc is no option for many of us because they are not US-based (me included).

Also for those of us required to use Corp cards for business travel.

SacTownGuy May 1, 2012 4:25 pm

You people kill me. You so vastly over-value hotel points. It's not even funny. Spend half the amount of effort on your job and you would double your income! My god people!

FYI, I don't think buying re-sale Marriott timeshares works for the points if purchased post June 1, 2010 (when they switched their system around). Thus you would have to buy direct from Marriott which is the biggest rip off known to man. However, as much as people over-value their Marriott points I am sure some morons buy the timeshares for the points.

iflyjetz May 3, 2012 4:31 pm

Dude, chillax.
 

Originally Posted by SacTownGuy (Post 18495187)
You people kill me. You so vastly over-value hotel points. It's not even funny. Spend half the amount of effort on your job and you would double your income! My god people!

FYI, I don't think buying re-sale Marriott timeshares works for the points if purchased post June 1, 2010 (when they switched their system around). Thus you would have to buy direct from Marriott which is the biggest rip off known to man. However, as much as people over-value their Marriott points I am sure some morons buy the timeshares for the points.


The OP asked a question. I took a little spare time to investigate the timeshare angle; partially because I need a few points for LT plat. I determined it wasn't worth the cost.
I spend some of my free time here for entertainment and have no desire to work 24/7. To me, this website is entertainment.

As to value of points, I use 1 cent/point as a ballpark. I always beat that number by a bit when I use them but it's close enough when one decides to use points.
Of course that value (1 cent/pt) doesn't factor in the value of achieving LT gold/plat once you stop traveling for business. Lounge access, free internet, etc when one's paying their own dime for hotel rooms is a very nice perk and has value to me - your mileage may vary.

detjason Aug 31, 2012 3:18 am


Originally Posted by kds4 (Post 18493739)

In a nutshell, if the OP doesn't already own a timeshare week bought directly from Marriott (when Marriott was still selling weeks) or own a resale week purchased before a particular day in June of 2010 (I forget the exact day); they will be unable to convert a Marriott timeshare week to MR points (at least until such time as Marriott changes the rules (which they never do, except when they do.)

To emphasize and clarify the option of converting MVCI timeshare into MR points, it is not possible for any Marriott timeshare purchased second hand, regardless of when it was purchased. Although timeshares purchased on the resale market before June 2010 have the option of being converted to the new Destination Club points system, this has nothing to do with MR. The option to convert a timeshare to points is an incentive available to those that purchase from Marriott and was not transferable.

Those who convert a second hand timeshare to Destination Points never had the option to convert to MR points and do not get to do so just because they convert.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 4:50 am.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.