The 'going green' lie
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Even worse is green construction of new properties like the JW Marriott at LA LIVE. The AC in their rooms is weak resulting in warm rooms, the workout room is downright hot, and the low flow shower heads leave soap in my belly button.
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Now, I think if we're really to believe that these cards imploring us not to have linen changed or towels replaced are anything more than a cost-cutting exercise modelling in a green dress, we need to visibly see other efforts. The cards have been in the rooms for years, yet no other evidence of "green" policies are visible. Hardly surprising they're viewed with such scepticism...
I realise for a hotel brand such as Marriott it's very difficult to display the efforts being made, lots of garish coloured bins in every room are hardly going to be popular, nor are directives around the hotel, or shutting off aircon, nor cutting carparking spaces, but if we are to be implored to "join in" with Marriott here, we as guests need to see something happening to "join in" with.
I realise for a hotel brand such as Marriott it's very difficult to display the efforts being made, lots of garish coloured bins in every room are hardly going to be popular, nor are directives around the hotel, or shutting off aircon, nor cutting carparking spaces, but if we are to be implored to "join in" with Marriott here, we as guests need to see something happening to "join in" with.
The proof is in the pudding. Marriott wants folk to think they're green, then do some obvious green things other than asking their guests to go w/o to save them some $$. FWIW - I'd say the same of any other chain.
And count me as one of those who actually do follow the towel policy & then come back to find they've all been replaced anyway. And that's across the chain, not just a singular property.
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Yeah that's nice but tell the truth. At the property level there is no enforcement of recycling. If a property wants to throw everything away and recycle nothing they can.
(Also, if you are trying to imply that recycling bins are in all associate areas than I have news for you that it's not even close. Most associate areas won't even have recycling bins and the ones that do will normally be using it for garbage. I've even see one executive chef using one for storage in a walk-in refrigerator. If you would like I will PM you a list of locations that are 100% non-green and that recycle nothing.)
(Also, if you are trying to imply that recycling bins are in all associate areas than I have news for you that it's not even close. Most associate areas won't even have recycling bins and the ones that do will normally be using it for garbage. I've even see one executive chef using one for storage in a walk-in refrigerator. If you would like I will PM you a list of locations that are 100% non-green and that recycle nothing.)
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many of the hotels do have strong green programs but I'm absolutely certain there are more than a handful that don't.....as has already been mentioned in this very thread there are those that feel strongly about being green and those that believe it isn't worth the time or effort
For the overwhelming majority when I was with MI I was in select service properties for almost my whole time and most of the friends I have that still work with MI are in select service and by in large none of them are at locations that do any kind of recycling.
They do not have the time, manpower, or incentive to purchase hundreds of bins and then actually spend the time and money to have the housekeepers/housemen separate and keep separated the blue bin from the green bin from the garbage.
Until the SOP from Bethesda comes recycling especially at select service locations, which as you know make up the bulk of the MI hotel portfolio, pretty much doesn't exist.
Or even if you see the bins, there is a decent chance that once housekeeping gets a hold of it they are just putting everything in the dumpster/compactor anyway.
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I got half of it - Bill is Bill Marriott, but I still don't know who Arnie is. But if he has a blog, he must be important.
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I have always found the "save the earth by reusing the towels" message to be irritating in so many ways. If they would just say help us keep our costs and your prices down, I think they would have at least as good of compliance without the pious sanctimony.
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I agree, cmcc, though there would probably be some reading of "keep our costs and your prices down" as "keep our costs and our profits up."
I believe the cost being controlled is labor, not utilities. Less time to service the room if not changing sheets, and far less labor hours in the laundry room running washer and dryer loads, and folding sheets and towels. If utilities are the issue, why does virtually every hotel, even those in the deserts, not give me the option to reduce the water flow rate in the shower? I know some people hate low flow shower heads, but I find most hotel shower flow rates quite excessive. At least give me volume control instead of only temperature control. The combination of the "help us conserve" signs and grossly wasteful showers is especially irksome.
This thread caught my eye due to frustration during our last stay at the lack of recycling at a Denver property.
When we asked at the front desk, one employee said he could take our glass and plastic bottles to his apartment's recycle pickup. Nice of him to offer, but Marriott needs to take care of this.
This thread caught my eye due to frustration during our last stay at the lack of recycling at a Denver property.
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I consider myself *somewhat* green, but I have to admit...those cards in hotel rooms annoy me.
YES, I want clean towels. YES, I want clean linens. NO, it doesn't matter how often I wash sheets and towels at home - I don't have to pay $199/nt. to sleep at home.
I usually launch the used towels into the bathtub or under the sink. I want clean ones!
I'm happy to recycle. I almost always pick the hybrid off the Exec Aisle if it's there. I drink lots of tap water. I always turn off lights and appliances when I leave a hotel room (although I get extremely annoyed if they have one of those systems that disables the A/C when I leave). But I still want clean towels.
YES, I want clean towels. YES, I want clean linens. NO, it doesn't matter how often I wash sheets and towels at home - I don't have to pay $199/nt. to sleep at home.
I usually launch the used towels into the bathtub or under the sink. I want clean ones!
I'm happy to recycle. I almost always pick the hybrid off the Exec Aisle if it's there. I drink lots of tap water. I always turn off lights and appliances when I leave a hotel room (although I get extremely annoyed if they have one of those systems that disables the A/C when I leave). But I still want clean towels.

We are opposite. I don't consider myself very green but I'll do the easy stuff. I don't need fresh towels, I don't need fresh linens. I liked the idea someone posted a while back where you could refuse maid service for points....that would be perfect for me!
I don't recycle at home or on the road.
I do drink filtered tap (I use to be a big bottle guy....like multiple cases/week but that has changed).


