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Dr. HFH Nov 9, 2024 8:54 pm


Originally Posted by MePlatPremier (Post 36661065)
Claiming the amount (correctly) charged to the card does not match the amount invoiced by the merchant is not grounds for a chargeback. The card issuer will tell the cardholder to sort it out with the merchant.

You don't know if it's the correct amount because you don't have an invoice/folio for that amount.

The hotel gave you an invoice for a certain amount and actually charged you for maybe 10× that amount or more? The credit card company will work this if for no other reason than it's a possible source of fraud by a merchant.

Adam1222 Nov 9, 2024 9:14 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 36661073)
You don't know if it's the correct amount because you don't have an invoice/folio for that amount.

The hotel gave you an invoice for a certain amount and actually charged you for maybe 10× that amount or more? The credit card company will work this if for no other reason than it's a possible source of fraud by a merchant.

You know it's the right amount, you're just looking to use the credit card to get elite night credit. (Trying "to get their attention" in your words.) That you can choose to play dumb doesn't mean you're actually dumb, as opposed to being dishonest and abusing the charge back system. There was no fraudulent charge to the card and you don't have any reason to mislead the credit card company into thinking there was other than some revenge fantasy.

A charge back is for when you were charged for services/goods not received- not for receipts (or elite night credits) not received.
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Dr. HFH Nov 9, 2024 9:21 pm


Originally Posted by Adam1222 (Post 36661088)
You know it's the right amount . . . .​​​​​​

How, if you never received a presumably correct invoice/folio?


Originally Posted by Adam1222 (Post 36661088)
A charge back is for when you were charged for services/goods not received . . . .

Like being charged for a minibar item you didn't consume? That's why you look at your folio.

Adam1222 Nov 9, 2024 9:25 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 36661095)
How, if you never received a presumably correct invoice/folio? That's why you look at your folio. For example, were there incorrect minibar charges?

We can all make things up. Of course, if the OP was charged exactly what their reservation email said they would be charged, they would know they weren't overcharged. That possiblity is just as likely as the one you made up.

​​​​​​The OP didn't suggest they have any reason they were overcharged. You are suggesting they pretend otherwise. You think that's fine because you want to punish the hotel. I don't, and think it's worse behavior than that the OP is complaining about.

Dr. HFH Nov 9, 2024 9:35 pm


Originally Posted by Adam1222 (Post 36661098)
We can all make things up. Of course, if the OP was charged exactly what their reservation email said they would be charged, they would know they weren't overcharged. That possiblity is just as likely as the one you made up.

​​​​​​The OP didn't suggest they have any reason they were overcharged. You are suggesting they pretend otherwise. You think that's fine because you want to punish the hotel. I don't, and think it's worse behavior than that the OP is complaining about.

I'm not suggesting that OP pretend anything or fabricate anything. It's not uncommon, for example, to see erroneous minibar charges on one's folio. Plenty of reports about this on FT.

You're correct, OP didn't suggest s/he had any reason to believe that they were overcharged. In fact OP has no information at all about what s/he was charged other than the total amount. That's why we get the folios. Do you ever look at one when you check out? Or afterwards when it's emailed to you? If your folios are always presumably correct, why do you bother looking?

Anyway, this horse is dead, so there's no need for me to respond again. If you never look at your folios and simply always assume that they're correct, then I readily concede that none of this applies to you. While I don't check every cent of every charge on every folio, I do look them over cursorily to see if anything jumps out at me. People do occasionally make mistakes.

Marriott Bonvoy Lurker II Nov 11, 2024 1:14 am


Originally Posted by m3traveler (Post 36659203)
Sure. Here are more specifics, shortened version:
CS unable to find reservation, asked if i booked through 3rd party, very surprised to hear I booked through marriot.com using my Bonvoy account and couldn't locate the stay or invoice. No credit for stay or spend, couldn't locate in my own profile after checkout (stay completed, 4 days). Asks to contact facility to get invoice.
Next day calls to CS - able to find using booking number, invoice mostly empty, with taxes only, no other charges. Unable to share, but asks to contact the facility's accounting department to fix.
Next day, calls to facility - tell me my contact information was missing for the stay, received invoice, submitted to missing stay team.
Next day missing stay team responds - "eligible credits have been posted" - still missing $ spend on the account.
Next day CS team says some invoice charges missing because i purchased food during the stay, need to contact facility due to coding issue - opened another case, please wait 3-5 business days.

I really feel that CS should own this, make calls, find stays in their own system, find invoices, work with facilities to figure out what went wrong/work on accounting codes/fix invoices, give loyalty credit/points/spend, not the customer.

Every customer service rep claims they are the "manager". Is there a way to escalate such issues? I feel like I have been bounced around for days.

Thanks,
M3

Dear m3traveler,

We are very sorry for all the inconvenience caused by the missing stay and invoice issue. If you can send a private message to us with below information, we will be pleased to check no it for you.

- Your full name
- Your member account number
- Your email address associated with member account
- The relevant stay details (hotel name and stay date)
- The details of your feedback

Best Regards,

Carrie L
Specialist Social Media Care
Marriott International
[email protected]

storewanderer Nov 11, 2024 1:22 am

Don't go the chargeback route unless you want your account revoked entirely...

Also that General Manager and Front Desk Manager who you say are "great" - they are who you will hurt with the chargeback. It is their property that will shoulder the cost of the chargeback. There is a chargeback fee even if they "fix" the invoice to match what you were charged. Too many chargebacks can get their merchant account flagged, processing fees increased, loss of card acceptance, etc. etc. etc.

So unless you never want to do business with any Marriott property again, don't go the chargeback route.

Keep dealing with the hotel general manager they are who needs to generate a correct invoice. They charged your card the amount of the stay. They should be able to submit an IT ticket that your stay did not properly close to MR. It is also possible somehow your stay got coded with the "wrong" rate code.

Your stay was eligible for MR right? You didn't go book on Priceline/Hotwire?



billdokes Nov 11, 2024 5:04 am


Originally Posted by storewanderer (Post 36663412)
Don't go the chargeback route unless you want your account revoked entirely...

Also that General Manager and Front Desk Manager who you say are "great" - they are who you will hurt with the chargeback. It is their property that will shoulder the cost of the chargeback. There is a chargeback fee even if they "fix" the invoice to match what you were charged. Too many chargebacks can get their merchant account flagged, processing fees increased, loss of card acceptance, etc. etc. etc.

So unless you never want to do business with any Marriott property again, don't go the chargeback route.

Keep dealing with the hotel general manager they are who needs to generate a correct invoice. They charged your card the amount of the stay. They should be able to submit an IT ticket that your stay did not properly close to MR. It is also possible somehow your stay got coded with the "wrong" rate code.

Your stay was eligible for MR right? You didn't go book on Priceline/Hotwire?

Did you miss the part where the OP said: CS unable to find reservation, asked if i booked through 3rd party, very surprised to hear I booked through marriot.com

Dr. HFH Nov 11, 2024 5:51 pm


Originally Posted by MePlatPremier (Post 36661065)
Claiming the amount (correctly) charged to the card does not match the amount invoiced by the merchant is not grounds for a chargeback.


Originally Posted by storewanderer (Post 36663412)
Don't go the chargeback route unless you want your account revoked entirely...

What is all this talk about chargebacks. There will be no chargeback resulting from the strategy I have suggested. The credit card company will tell the hotel that the guest/cardholder claims that the amount charged is substantially more than the invoice provided to the guest/cardholder, please verify or refute. If refuted, the hotel will be asked to provide a copy of the invoice to substantiate the charge. There will be a chargeback only if the hotel cannot produce an invoice that matches the amount charged.

Adam1222 Nov 11, 2024 6:21 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 36665264)
What is all this talk about chargebacks. There will be no chargeback resulting from the strategy I have suggested. The credit card company will tell the hotel that the guest/cardholder claims that the amount charged is substantially more than the invoice provided to the guest/cardholder, please verify or refute. If refuted, the hotel will be asked to provide a copy of the invoice to substantiate the charge. There will be a chargeback only if the hotel cannot produce an invoice that matches the amount charged.

Seems like this post is good to keep in mind the next time someone complains about a Marriott charging a 3% credit card processing fee

Dr. HFH Nov 11, 2024 8:00 pm


Originally Posted by Adam1222 (Post 36665300)
Seems like this post is good to keep in mind the next time someone complains about a Marriott charging a 3% credit card processing fee

Interesting. I've never stayed in a Marriott that imposed this charge, actually I've never heard of a Marriott imposing this charge. I'd be interested in knowing which hotels have charged you a credit card processing fee so I can avoid them, same as I do with hotels that charge resort fees.

Adam1222 Nov 11, 2024 8:23 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 36665479)
Interesting. I've never stayed in a Marriott that imposed this charge, actually I've never heard of a Marriott imposing this charge. I'd be interested in knowing which hotels have charged you a credit card processing fee so I can avoid them, same as I do with hotels that charge resort fees.

You can use the search function on the Marriott forum and read those threads.

dayone Nov 11, 2024 8:40 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 36665264)
What is all this talk about chargebacks. There will be no chargeback resulting from the strategy I have suggested.

If a cardholder disputes a transaction, there is definitely a cost to the vendor. Most processors assess a network/merchant dispute fee.


Dr. HFH Nov 12, 2024 1:04 am


Originally Posted by dayone (Post 36665549)
If a cardholder disputes a transaction, there is definitely a cost to the vendor. Most processors assess a network/merchant dispute fee.

You're right. There's no automatic chargeback, but there is usually a fee. Google says that it's most typically $10-50. OTOH if you can't get a copy of the folio, you have no way of verifying the amount you were charged, as I said upthread. The hotel should provide you with a folio that matches what they're actually charging you. If your folio only reflects taxes, the amount charged could easily be 10× that amount, and I think that you have a right to an accurate folio. If Marriott or the hotel cannot or will not provide it, then I have no problem making them eat the relatively small fee if that's what it takes to get the folio.

I found this and thought that some might be interested . . . .

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...976de4dff7.jpg

Out of my Element Nov 12, 2024 8:47 am

I've been on both sides of chargebacks and never been charged a fee as a vendor. To be fair, it's been over ten years since I was on the vendor side.

As a customer, I've also won a chargeback and then the vendor fixed it and reported this to the card company who recharged my card appropriately.


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