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Old May 26, 2022, 11:28 pm
  #76  
 
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Originally Posted by The Road Goes On Forever
You're read on the industry is not fully accurate.

Back in early 2020 before the Great Resignation existed, the industry at the beginning of the pandemic went bare knuckles and instituted the Great Termination as a survivalist move. Staff across the board at every hotel of every type/class were laid off/fired/terminated/let go/told to work at another property or else - whatever you want to call it en masse, including tons at the parent company's corporate offices. Once demand started coming back big last spring, properties had jobs but no applicants due to expanded unemployment, the aforementioned Great Resignation mindset and also prior employees who got riffed bare knuckles took a hard look at things and a lot didn't come back. Low pay that still hasn't changed much if at all during the pandemic, more than likely still no benefits and irregular work schedules. Why would you come back? What efforts have places put into making these jobs more attractive? The answer is not much. Sure there are a few bright spots here and there but overall it's the same as it ever was.

Two examples: The franchisee I work for has mandated that daily housekeeping will not return at any of their 200+ properties across a full and limited service spectrum of Marriott/Hilton/Choice/IHG brands and their own independents unless the parent company mandates the return which is not currently on the horizon. Three years ago the property I work at on average would be sold out on a Monday and we would have two desk agents, a maintenance person, a horseperson and a van driver. Now, the property is still sold out on a Monday but it's a single desk agent with a maintenance person most of the time, period, stop. Will that change? Maybe, but in the near future I don't see it. What's the incentive to change things? The parent company doesn't care, occupancy and rate are more than there, guests overall accept it and the concerns of the existing staff are irrelevant to the management company and the owner.

Plenty of franchisees have made the choice to permanently not fill positions. Fifteen months ago I would have agreed with you about giving places the benefit of the doubt. Now, not so much. Don't confuse can't fill the job with not trying to fill the job.
I'm not exactly sure where we are disagreeing. The first paragraph sounds almost exactly like my point, although the part about expanded unemployment benefits has been thoroughly debunked, Covid Unemployment Benefits. I can't speak as to why your employer is not returning daily housekeeping. Is it a money grab or it is part of your first point about people not wanting to return to work for crappy wages? I can only speak for my experiences, but I experienced daily housekeeping returning slowly, especially at the better properties that I frequent. The incentive to change is that consumers have purchasing power. For example, recently, I spent a week at the Marriott Rancho Cordova. It was terrible. They got rid of valet, bell service, restaurant and lounge. The only breakfast offering was Starbucks takeout. I will not return. By contrast, the previous month, I'd previously stayed at the Sheraton Grand. They had most services. Bell, valet, lounge and I believe the restaurant. Needless to say, on my next trip to Sacramento, I'll be staying there. As guests vote with their wallets, hotels will respond accordingly.
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Old May 27, 2022, 12:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Radiation Station
Mostly I try to get them sort out other problems caused by Marriott, such as missing points and not honouring elite benefits. Unfortunately, they are only useful for the admin, as they are fairly toothless and unwilling when it comes to actually dealing with hotels. I am very low maintenance and don’t require a choir of angels to greet me when I check in. But I don’t feel they secure me any special treatment or upgrades, to be honest. I have noticed no practical difference from when I was Titanium.
I don't have a personalized Ambassador and I'm most likely not going to be spending $20k this year so it hasn't been a big bother to me. I do appreciate it when they follow through on my Your24 requests or requests for a special occasion though.
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Old May 27, 2022, 12:59 pm
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Originally Posted by UASPG
When I had an Ambassador in the Lancaster, CA center (now closed), it really worked very for me.
The couple of Ambassadors I had from the Austin center were just OK.

For that membership level to be an incentive, the service must definitely improve. I'll probably spend $20K on Marriott stays, this year, but it is certainly not because I am trying to reach the Ambassador threshold.
My personal ambassador was located in Singapore office.
While she not those unicorn ambassador, the performance was good and it does efficiently handling the requests.
Current bunch of ambassadors unfortunately failed to do the same.
It was much easier to just ask hotels concierge email address to the ambassador and deal directly with the hotel rather than thru the ambassador.

Personally I might reach ambassador threshold this year, however if the situation not improved, I might reduce my Marriott stays in 2023 and try the competitors more.
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Old May 28, 2022, 5:34 am
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Just had the usual excellent personal experience with my Ambassador yesterday. Called them directly, they handled everything for me while on the phone, flagged upcoming stays to follow-up with requests, etc. and to contact the hotels on my behalf.

Again, I realize that this is not the norm anymore. But, this is the reason I have moved 100% of my business to Marriott from Hilton as a lifetime Diamond Honors member. Hilton offers nothing to distinguish its top tier customers, Marriott does in many cases.
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Old May 28, 2022, 6:30 am
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Originally Posted by SPN Lifer
That would indeed resolve the grievous injustice done to so many guests who had been striving toward this level for over a decade.

New qualifications were abruptly snatched away on Monday, 31 December 2018 with barely six months notice, and some of Marriott's most devoted loyalists were brutally Bonv°yed!

It would be fairer if it was 1000 nights at whatever status as some wouldn’t have known about the Tit requirement and may end up having to do 10 years Plat then 10 years Tit meaning 1250 nights anyway. So 1000 nights at maybe Plat or above would be better and would benefit Marriott without costing them anything. It would certainly be an incentive after reaching Lifetime Platinum but let’s dream on!
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Old May 28, 2022, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by buckeye91
Just had the usual excellent personal experience with my Ambassador yesterday. Called them directly, they handled everything for me while on the phone, flagged upcoming stays to follow-up with requests, etc. and to contact the hotels on my behalf.
I wonder how many Ambassador Elite members still have a personal Ambassador? Also, why do some people still have one but many do not?
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Old May 28, 2022, 11:25 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 1F
I wonder how many Ambassador Elite members still have a personal Ambassador? Also, why do some people still have one but many do not?
I bet that Brian Kelly of TPG has one!
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Old May 28, 2022, 11:42 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 1F
I wonder how many Ambassador Elite members still have a personal Ambassador? Also, why do some people still have one but many do not?
I suspect it’ll be revenue related - the people who spend the most will be prioritised. We all know the margin is all that matters to Marriott.
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Old May 28, 2022, 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Radiation Station
I suspect it’ll be revenue related - the people who spend the most will be prioritised. We all know the margin is all that matters to Marriott.
i overachieved with more than $30k last year and didn’t get one. 2021 was actually my first year qualifying.
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Old Aug 2, 2022, 6:25 am
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Originally Posted by Roger Lococco
Curious to hear what Flyertalk posters think about this.

In my view, this is a program that has in effect been diluted to the point where it’s more of a negative than a positive.
We are at the Marriott St. Louis Grand, This is my first trip since obtaining Ambassador Elite and it’s been horrid. I was so incredibly excited to have obtained this tier. Utilized the Ambassador service in order to try and ensure we had a crib in our room as we wouldn’t be arriving until after midnight and my little one would be ready for bed at that point. Requested with the hotel in initial booking and follow up call a week out. Ambassador services confirmed the crib would be available, messaged the hotel to confirm it had been delivered 3 hours prior to arrival and was told it would be dropped off then. Arrive no crib, wait 45 minutes and at 2 am after no front desk responses a housekeeper tells me they have none available as the hotel is full.
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Old Aug 2, 2022, 2:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Lee Ford
We are at the Marriott St. Louis Grand, This is my first trip since obtaining Ambassador Elite and it’s been horrid. I was so incredibly excited to have obtained this tier. Utilized the Ambassador service in order to try and ensure we had a crib in our room as we wouldn’t be arriving until after midnight and my little one would be ready for bed at that point. Requested with the hotel in initial booking and follow up call a week out. Ambassador services confirmed the crib would be available, messaged the hotel to confirm it had been delivered 3 hours prior to arrival and was told it would be dropped off then. Arrive no crib, wait 45 minutes and at 2 am after no front desk responses a housekeeper tells me they have none available as the hotel is full.
Hi Lee,

I'm very sorry to hear about your experience with this hotel, especially as a newly minted Ambassador Elite member. If you send a Private Message with your reservation confirmation number and contact information, we'd be glad to follow up.

Thanks,

Robert V.
Social Media Specialist
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Old Aug 2, 2022, 4:29 pm
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I don't know if those that still have a personal Ambassador have it based on spend. Pre-Covid I had spent $50K some years and mine was taken away.
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Old Aug 2, 2022, 5:45 pm
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Yep .. Ambassador since they started, Platinum Premier since it started and mine went away 3/4 years ago, spend twice the yearly amount (20k). No big deal because it didn’t help me when I had it !
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Old Aug 2, 2022, 6:45 pm
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Originally Posted by 4getofn
Yep .. Ambassador since they started, Platinum Premier since it started and mine went away 3/4 years ago, spend twice the yearly amount (20k). No big deal because it didn’t help me when I had it !
At least Platinum Premier featured UA Gold status. Even that's been stripped away with bonvOY.
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Old Aug 2, 2022, 10:44 pm
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The issue is misalignment from the perspective of the user.

Ambassador gives what Marriott says it will provide but for most people stay so many nights (or spending a lot in pricy room) they likely are experienced travellers who are savvy enough to not need much support.

The difference between titanium and Ambassador isn’t that much from the user experience. On airlines having faster phone service is a godsend. Hotels where you can call a front desk directly makes this a much less valuable perk.

The real incentive to stretch for Ambassador would be reduced point stays or maybe a higher point earning rate like the airlines.

My last three trips as a LTT I booked everything online and zero need for assistance.

Instead of get rid of it, they should give better incentives as then it’s probably happier road warriors and more $ for Marriott as people will chase more points and awards bennies
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