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photojojo Mar 13, 2022 12:14 pm

Hotels with no availability - ever.
 
What does it mean when hotels like this never have a room available all year? https://www.marriott.com/en-us/hotel...tion/overview/

There was another one in Florida I couldn't find availability all year either. I thought it was Crystal Shores but it may have been another South Florida property.

CPMaverick Mar 13, 2022 12:37 pm

I'm also very curious about this! I would think it's because of a renovation, closure, or update... but it appears to have been renovated in 2019 and there are Jan 2021 reviews!

photojojo Mar 13, 2022 12:50 pm


Originally Posted by CPMaverick (Post 34072066)
I'm also very curious about this! I would think it's because of a renovation, closure, or update... but it appears to have been renovated in 2019 and there are Jan 2021 reviews!

It really caught my eye just because it's so unique. I'll be in FRA for one night next month before going to Nurburgring for a few days and then ending the trip with two more nights in FRA, so I thought "maybe I should burn some points on this one". That obviously didn't work, so I tried cash, then I tried 6 and 7 nights incase it's some resorty type property... nothin'. Nada. All the way through 2023.

mahasamatman Mar 13, 2022 2:14 pm

Maybe you can only book by phone?

JayeJ Mar 13, 2022 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 34072267)
Maybe you can only book by phone?

Or perhaps you could email them?

Recently I was trying to book in an area for a wedding -- turns out it's graduation weekend, too. The Courtyard had no availability online but when I called they had several rooms --- two night minimum, but it worked out. It does seem odd that they would be blocked online for the whole year.

KRSW Mar 23, 2022 4:19 pm

I can assure you that much of Florida is 100% booked. Courtyards and Residence Inns which were going for <$150/night in 2021 are asking $400+ now, if they have any rooms available at all. Many don't. Hotels which air crews stay at have temporarily kicked them out because they'd rather get $300+/night than the contract $60/night deals. I've seen air crews put up at hotels >1 hr away from the airports recently.

MSPeconomist Mar 23, 2022 4:28 pm


Originally Posted by photojojo (Post 34072012)
What does it mean when hotels like this never have a room available all year? https://www.marriott.com/en-us/hotel...tion/overview/

There was another one in Florida I couldn't find availability all year either. I thought it was Crystal Shores but it may have been another South Florida property.

Can we assume you're not looking for award (points or certs) availability?

I stayed at the place in Germany long before they became a Marriott, so it's not quite true that they never have availability (for money). It was lovely, but small, with all rooms in the castle-like building in the picture.

escapefromphl Mar 23, 2022 5:34 pm

Actually the correct way to book award nights is to tweet at Marriott, and then they respond with a DM and will put the property manager in contact with you to open space up for you personally.

photojojo Mar 23, 2022 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 34101031)
Can we assume you're not looking for award (points or certs) availability?

I stayed at the place in Germany long before they became a Marriott, so it's not quite true that they never have availability (for money). It was lovely, but small, with all rooms in the castle-like building in the picture.

I tried both. I just looked again and put in a 5 night stay, my dates are flexible, cash and awards, and all the way through at least December the whole calendar shows nothing available.

Your assessment sounds pretty on par for what I'd expect. I think it says it has 40 rooms (?) and it doesn't look like a gargantuan property. I was just trying to figure out rates for future trips and I can't even do that.

MSPeconomist Mar 23, 2022 9:55 pm

I think it's in FHR. If you have access (the right card), call PTS/CTS and ask the (human) travel agent to check for availability and prices on their reservation system. My very rough *guess* would be about Euro 400 for a standard room and it wouldn't surprise me if all rates include a full German (cold) breakfast. Their well-known fine dining restaurant sadly seems to be gone.

kaizen7 Mar 24, 2022 11:59 am

Maybe they currently closed?
Can you find the hotel on other booking website like hotel.com or booking.com?

pinniped Mar 24, 2022 1:14 pm


Originally Posted by KRSW (Post 34101010)
I can assure you that much of Florida is 100% booked. Courtyards and Residence Inns which were going for <$150/night in 2021 are asking $400+ now, if they have any rooms available at all. Many don't. Hotels which air crews stay at have temporarily kicked them out because they'd rather get $300+/night than the contract $60/night deals. I've seen air crews put up at hotels >1 hr away from the airports recently.

But 100% booked all year long? A random Sunday night in hurricane season 5 months from now? That just seems odd.

We used to occasionally go to Florida for a cheap getaway, but I can't imagine going there and spending London or Tokyo prices on hotel rooms, short of doing something very unique in South Beach or the Keys.

CCIE_Flyer Mar 24, 2022 2:35 pm

Could this have to do with the impending change to points redemption? I’ve been looking at properties in the Tampa/St. Pete area for a couple of weeks now, looking over and over to see if I could magically top up my CC certs during the rez process. Lo and behold, as of today, properties that had wide open availability are all completely unavailable. Every single one of them.

msp3 Mar 24, 2022 6:45 pm


Originally Posted by escapefromphl (Post 34101179)
Actually the correct way to book award nights is to tweet at Marriott, and then they respond with a DM and will put the property manager in contact with you to open space up for you personally.

If you're not being sarcastic, it's just so sad that it's come to this, you actually have to go around the normal reservation process to beat a property gaming availability to the detriment of reward members. I suspect though, some are waiting for the devaluation to kick in first...

Mora Mar 25, 2022 5:50 am

As far as I know Villa Rothschild is currently closed with an uncertain reopening date.


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