29 Mar 2022 : Introduction of Dynamic award pricing and removal of award chart
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#197
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: New York, NY
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Lifetime Tit, Hilton Diamond, BA Gold, Carlson Gold, UA*S,
Posts: 1,311
St Regis NYC up from 100K to 106k a night
W South Beach 100K > 120K
Aloft Miami Aventura 40K > 31-39K
Harlem Aloft 35k > 40K
Le Meridien Maldives amazing value at 35K up now to 50K!
New York Edition, 70K > 66K
St. Pancras Renaissance 60K > 56K
Marriott Maida Vale 35K > 38K
Some properties have crept up ever so slightly in order to make the 35K FNA's unusable and to claw back extra points....
Le Meridien Denver, Tribute Magnolia Denver 35K > 38K - Denver Brown Place - 35K > 38K (although on some dates it is down to 32K)
W South Beach 100K > 120K
Aloft Miami Aventura 40K > 31-39K
Harlem Aloft 35k > 40K
Le Meridien Maldives amazing value at 35K up now to 50K!
New York Edition, 70K > 66K
St. Pancras Renaissance 60K > 56K
Marriott Maida Vale 35K > 38K
Some properties have crept up ever so slightly in order to make the 35K FNA's unusable and to claw back extra points....
Le Meridien Denver, Tribute Magnolia Denver 35K > 38K - Denver Brown Place - 35K > 38K (although on some dates it is down to 32K)
Last edited by Johnny Rocket; Mar 29, 22 at 8:31 pm
#198
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Hong Kong, London, Toronto, Bangkok
Programs: MPC, OneWorld, 1865 Voyager, Hyatt, Horizon Club
Posts: 146
I booked a St Regis GV last night before the new rates are loaded, and it quoted at the 400k points for 5 nights, and I pressed "confirm booking" but there was an error on the website and couldn't load the final page to deduct my points and couldn't reach hotline. I had enough points for the 400k redemption but it just wouldn't load. But this morning (HK time), it showed up in "My Trips" but as a point advance with the new increased rate of 463k. This is absolute insanity. Why did it pop up and error and didn't go through when I had enough points and but now shows as a point advance even though I did nothing further with the booking? I'll try to contact marriott to see if they can confirm my booking at the original 400k.
#199
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: EWR
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Gold, HHonors Gold
Posts: 504
Not all bad news for me....for now.
Great:
Tambo del Inka went from 60K down to 44K per night for my dates in June. Actually pretty good redemption value.
Prague went from 50K down to 43K per night.
Bad:
Wailea Beach Resort went from 70K up to 100K per night for December. (Marriott did say this property would increase up to 30K points so at least it wasn't a surprise.)
Great:
Tambo del Inka went from 60K down to 44K per night for my dates in June. Actually pretty good redemption value.
Prague went from 50K down to 43K per night.
Bad:
Wailea Beach Resort went from 70K up to 100K per night for December. (Marriott did say this property would increase up to 30K points so at least it wasn't a surprise.)
#200
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: YVR
Posts: 82
I was eyeing some YVR properties as well for the summer. Luckily I booked last week.
Basically all downtown properties were 50K, with exception of Sherton Wall Centre at 35K. The properties around the airport were all 35K and Element Metrotown was also 35K.
As it stands now for a random Tuesday in late May:
Downtown:
Airport:
Basically all downtown properties were 50K, with exception of Sherton Wall Centre at 35K. The properties around the airport were all 35K and Element Metrotown was also 35K.
As it stands now for a random Tuesday in late May:
Downtown:
- Metropolitan: 50K -> 47K
- Sheraton Wall Center: 35K -> 39K
- Marriott Pinnacle: 50K -> 58K
- Delta Downtown: 50K -> 52K
- Residence Inn: 50K -> 52K
- Douglas: 50K -> 45K
- JW Marriott: 50K -> 53K
- Westin: 50K -> 45K
Airport:
- Westin: 35K -> 38K
- Four Points: 35K -> 37K
- Marriott: 35K -> 39K
- Sheraton: 35K -> 33K
#201
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: DUB-BOS
Programs: various
Posts: 3,257
For what its worth Loyalty Lobby reporting that Bonvoy has changed the T&C so instead of Free Night Rewards, we now have Gifted Night Rewards.
I cannot imagine any good will come of this. Its sad how much marriott has declined. For sure we had the initial gloss when the two programs merged, but now I would argue Bonvoy is significantly worse that either of its parents.
Legacy Marriott has gone from 'it does what it says on the box' to a 'better read the small print' type company, while Starwood was probably not sustainable in its former guise.
I cannot imagine any good will come of this. Its sad how much marriott has declined. For sure we had the initial gloss when the two programs merged, but now I would argue Bonvoy is significantly worse that either of its parents.
Legacy Marriott has gone from 'it does what it says on the box' to a 'better read the small print' type company, while Starwood was probably not sustainable in its former guise.
#202
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Danville, CA, USA;
Programs: UA Plat & 1MM, DL Plat, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Plat, HHonors Gold
Posts: 14,268
Complete massacre at high end (see examples below)
St. Regis Aspen - prior non-peak 5nt = 370k; new rate same 5nt = 449.5k
St. Regis Deer Valley - same dates - formerly 385k/5nt; new rate = 442k /5nt
JW Essex - April - formerly 60k/nt; new rate = 88k/nt
Ren TimesSq - April - formerly 55k/nt; new rate 57k/nt
St. Regis NYC - April - now 108k/nt
JW Wash DC - now 59k/nt on a $423 rate
St. Regis DC - 66k on a $538 rate
various Westins DC - no change
St. Regis Aspen - prior non-peak 5nt = 370k; new rate same 5nt = 449.5k
St. Regis Deer Valley - same dates - formerly 385k/5nt; new rate = 442k /5nt
JW Essex - April - formerly 60k/nt; new rate = 88k/nt
Ren TimesSq - April - formerly 55k/nt; new rate 57k/nt
St. Regis NYC - April - now 108k/nt
JW Wash DC - now 59k/nt on a $423 rate
St. Regis DC - 66k on a $538 rate
various Westins DC - no change
#203
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: MCI
Programs: AA Gold 1MM, AS MVP, UA Silver, WN A-List, Marriott LT Titanium, HH Diamond
Posts: 51,158
Most hotels for my April Scottsdale/Tempe area trip went down slightly. But a couple hotels that were wide-open available earlier today flipped to unavailable. I did not expect that.
I will keep my original award, but I don't like the fact that some underlying availability formula changed in addition to the number of points required to redeem.
I will keep my original award, but I don't like the fact that some underlying availability formula changed in addition to the number of points required to redeem.
#204
Join Date: Nov 2007
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Platinum, Hilton Honors Diamond, Delta Gold
Posts: 2,851
#206
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#207
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2010
Programs: DL, OZ, AC, AS, AA, BA, Hilton, Hyatt, Marriott, IHG
Posts: 12,607
#208
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 422
#209
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: EWR
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Lifetime Gold (Current Platinum), United Mileage Plus, Avis Preferred
Posts: 846
I am using most of my points at WDW in late August/early September. So glad I booked when we did.
I originally booked six nights at the Swan for 220,000 points, and had to hold off on the 7th night until my CC points posted. But then one of the nights dropped from the nominal Cat 6 rate of 50K down to off-peak rate of 40K, and I was able to book the all seven nights sooner than anticipated. The entire reservation was now obtained for 250,000 points for all seven nights.
Tonight that same reservation has gone to 325,000 points. That's 250K to 325K. Previously it was one night at 50K: one free, and the rest at 40K. Now the six 6 paid nights are 54K to 56K each. That is within the parameters of the the announcement, as it is till less than the Cat 6 peak of 60 K/night, but obviously a huge increase. If I had to book now, it would be one less night at the Swan
In comparison, a room at the Swan Reserve for those same nights went from 270K to 278K.
I am also trying to add a night one day before our seven night reservation. Before today's change, a was planning to top off a 35K cert with 15 K to keep us in the Swan for all eight nights. Now that it is not possible, as that room is 54K. I have the Gaylord Plams booked with the cert, and that dropped from 35K to 33K. Not helpful when using a cert. Right now, the Swan Reserve is an option, as that is showing 49K, and would be an easier move when heading to the Swan. Who knows what rates I will even be seeing when the top off option goes live?
I originally booked six nights at the Swan for 220,000 points, and had to hold off on the 7th night until my CC points posted. But then one of the nights dropped from the nominal Cat 6 rate of 50K down to off-peak rate of 40K, and I was able to book the all seven nights sooner than anticipated. The entire reservation was now obtained for 250,000 points for all seven nights.
Tonight that same reservation has gone to 325,000 points. That's 250K to 325K. Previously it was one night at 50K: one free, and the rest at 40K. Now the six 6 paid nights are 54K to 56K each. That is within the parameters of the the announcement, as it is till less than the Cat 6 peak of 60 K/night, but obviously a huge increase. If I had to book now, it would be one less night at the Swan
In comparison, a room at the Swan Reserve for those same nights went from 270K to 278K.
I am also trying to add a night one day before our seven night reservation. Before today's change, a was planning to top off a 35K cert with 15 K to keep us in the Swan for all eight nights. Now that it is not possible, as that room is 54K. I have the Gaylord Plams booked with the cert, and that dropped from 35K to 33K. Not helpful when using a cert. Right now, the Swan Reserve is an option, as that is showing 49K, and would be an easier move when heading to the Swan. Who knows what rates I will even be seeing when the top off option goes live?
#210
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: New York, NY
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Lifetime Tit, Hilton Diamond, BA Gold, Carlson Gold, UA*S,
Posts: 1,311
I booked a St Regis GV last night before the new rates are loaded, and it quoted at the 400k points for 5 nights, and I pressed "confirm booking" but there was an error on the website and couldn't load the final page to deduct my points and couldn't reach hotline. I had enough points for the 400k redemption but it just wouldn't load. But this morning (HK time), it showed up in "My Trips" but as a point advance with the new increased rate of 463k. This is absolute insanity. Why did it pop up and error and didn't go through when I had enough points and but now shows as a point advance even though I did nothing further with the booking? I'll try to contact marriott to see if they can confirm my booking at the original 400k.
Marriott over the last few days were pushing bookings through as 'points advance' even if members had a plentiful amount of Points in their account.
For many, there was no way of even knowing unless they looked extremely carefully at their reservation where you are given the option to have the points deducted closer to the time or immediately.
Deliberate or just bad IT?