Looking for recommendations for roadtrip in Italy/France
Hi all,
Given the uncertain situation with COVID, I am looking to spend our summer holidays doing a roadtrip from Germany towards either Italy or France. We are from the Western part of Germany and are looking to be on the road for ~3 weeks with 2 adults and a 6-months old (no 10h+ drive on a day). Any good recommendations on hotels to visit and places to see? Or a good resource how we could plan the trip? Obviously, focus on Marriott properties but not limited to it. I do have some 500k points which I could use if worth it (compared to paying cash). In terms of the prices, I would be inclined to stay below an average of 200 EUR per night (RC, StR, ... not needed). Thanks in advance for any input! |
One thing to keep in mind with a young one is that a 5-hour drive according to Google Maps turns into a 10+ hour drive with all of the stops for feeding, changing, dealing with crying, etc. You will be lucky to get a 2-hour nonstop stint during a nap, and that's assuming the adults don't need a break during that time. So unless you are starting from south of Frankfurt, you might not even realistically make it to Northern Italy or southern France if you are staying 3-4 nights in each place.
Add COVID on top and you might want to consider a domestic vacation in summer 2021. We all hope to have a summer travel season this year, but the pace of vaccination in the EU isn't promising... You can search on marriott.com for an entire country, and then organise your search by map or price or whatever. |
Originally Posted by t3ame
(Post 33032311)
Hi all,
Given the uncertain situation with COVID, I am looking to spend our summer holidays doing a roadtrip from Germany towards either Italy or France. We are from the Western part of Germany and are looking to be on the road for ~3 weeks with 2 adults and a 6-months old (no 10h+ drive on a day). Any good recommendations on hotels to visit and places to see? Or a good resource how we could plan the trip? Obviously, focus on Marriott properties but not limited to it. I do have some 500k points which I could use if worth it (compared to paying cash). In terms of the prices, I would be inclined to stay below an average of 200 EUR per night (RC, StR, ... not needed). Thanks in advance for any input! |
Originally Posted by craigthemif
(Post 33032323)
One thing to keep in mind with a young one is that a 5-hour drive according to Google Maps turns into a 10+ hour drive with all of the stops for feeding, changing, dealing with crying, etc. You will be lucky to get a 2-hour nonstop stint during a nap, and that's assuming the adults don't need a break during that time. So unless you are starting from south of Frankfurt, you might not even realistically make it to Northern Italy or southern France if you are staying 3-4 nights in each place.
Add COVID on top and you might want to consider a domestic vacation in summer 2021. We all hope to have a summer travel season this year, but the pace of vaccination in the EU isn't promising... You can search on marriott.com for an entire country, and then organise your search by map or price or whatever. Let‘s broaden the search to „Southwest“ Germany then 😊 I have seen some Autograph Collection properties close to Frankfurt but not yet seen a review or anything (Falkenstein Grand, Villa Rothschild, ...). Anyone with experience on these hotels? E.g., elite recognition (during COVID, pre-COVID). |
Originally Posted by Travel4Love
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I can recommend Schloss Lieser on the Moselle bank. On March 3rd it will move from category 3 to category 4.
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Originally Posted by Travel4Love
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I can recommend Schloss Lieser on the Moselle bank. On March 3rd it will move from category 3 to category 4.
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Originally Posted by t3ame
(Post 33032311)
Hi all,
Given the uncertain situation with COVID, I am looking to spend our summer holidays doing a roadtrip from Germany towards either Italy or France. |
One year we did a nice roadtrip that was Nice-Cinque Terre-Venice-Ljubljana-Bled-Salzburg-Munich. Some intermediate stops along the way...you could break it up so no single day was too brutal behind the wheel. About 2 weeks total...
It's probably a full day drive from your town down to the coast, but tons of stuff along the way if you want to break it up. Disclaimer: it wasn't a Marriott trip, although there are some Marriotts along the route. Disclaimer #2: we didn't have a six-month old in tow. Cinque Terre and Venice could be difficult to navigate with a stroller. |
We had a wonderful stay at Cristallo, in the Dolomites, 2 summers ago. I highly recommend the hotel and the beautiful area. I'm not sure where you live in Germany. Cristallo is an 8 hour drive from Frankfurt or a 4 1/2 hour drive from Munich. You could drive via Salzburg. We stayed at the Goldener Hirsch several years ago and thought it very special.
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Originally Posted by t3ame
(Post 33032311)
Hi all,
Given the uncertain situation with COVID, I am looking to spend our summer holidays doing a roadtrip from Germany towards either Italy or France. We are from the Western part of Germany and are looking to be on the road for ~3 weeks with 2 adults and a 6-months old (no 10h+ drive on a day). Any good recommendations on hotels to visit and places to see? Or a good resource how we could plan the trip? Obviously, focus on Marriott properties but not limited to it. I do have some 500k points which I could use if worth it (compared to paying cash). In terms of the prices, I would be inclined to stay below an average of 200 EUR per night (RC, StR, ... not needed). Thanks in advance for any input! Luzern, Switerland: I've always (tried to) stayed at the Chateau Guetsch (apx 200-250 euro) up on the "hill" overlooking the town, but there is a quite nice Renaissance in town that should better fit your budget and is easy to walk everywhere; Lake Maggiore-Ascona/Locarno The Giardino Ascona is very pleasant, though I do prefer Stressa more on the west of Maggiore, as they have the Isola Bella tour, hopefully when it's not too crowded, and a nice lunch on Isola Pescatore, I've even stayed on that island, and there are a couple good hotels, though with a lot of luggage, I'd opt for a hotel on the mainland, Borromeo Palace is great but pricy, or the Regina Palace, Astoria (cheaper), or Bristol; In Tuscany, if you're inclined to drive south first, my son and his bride loved the La Bandita Townhouses in Castelvecchio (of course it was their honeymoon and I picked up the tab-using points.) On the way, stop in Florence and eat at the Centrale Mercato, or Paoli's or just grab a slice of pizza at Pizzeria Vesuvios as you do the walking streets; Sorry, you might have to stay a few days there; The son and bride also did an Airbnb on the Cinque Terre that was quite reasonable and got invited to a couple dinner parties by their host. Don't remember which one though; Head north along the coastline towards Nice/Cannes/etc and there are many MR options, though again, I'm partial to the Hyatt SLH properties , especially the Belle Rives in Antibes/Juan des Pins. But there are many choices, even heading to Mougins or Grasse. Time permitting, I love the food in Lyon and it's easy walking. Just like Paris they say, but nicer. Old town has some grand old hotels that I've stayed in but I'm sure I can't remember many of them, and the Marriott there is just ehhh.. Or head home through Geneva and stop for some Pave Geneve at the chocolate shop at the base of the bridge, north side. If you want to stick to MR properties, just use the hotel search using the name of the country, i.e. Switzerland, Italy, etc., and in map view it will show you all the options on your desired route. |
Originally Posted by t3ame
(Post 33032354)
Thanks for the quick reply and good food for thought!
Let‘s broaden the search to „Southwest“ Germany then 😊 I have seen some Autograph Collection properties close to Frankfurt but not yet seen a review or anything (Falkenstein Grand, Villa Rothschild, ...). Anyone with experience on these hotels? E.g., elite recognition (during COVID, pre-COVID). |
Originally Posted by pinniped
(Post 33033560)
One year we did a nice roadtrip that was Nice-Cinque Terre-Venice-Ljubljana-Bled-Salzburg-Munich.
Disclaimer #2: we didn't have a six-month old in tow. Cinque Terre and Venice could be difficult to navigate with a stroller. |
I'd plan to stay in villages or rural hotels. You don't want to be driving into major cities, especially with a baby, and then paying a fortune for parking. Historic hotels can be inconvenient with babies and their equipment. [For example, Goldener Hirsch in Salzburg, which was mentioned above, is stunning, but has small flights of stairs connecting different sections of the building as well as an annex across the street. My suite had the bedroom down about ten steps from the living room, and there were a couple steps into parts of the bathroom too. This wouldn't be fun with a stroller.]
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Originally Posted by rbAA
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I will never go back to Venice, though I used to go there frequently. Our last trip about 3 years ago was disappointing: too "Disneyland-esque" with hoards of groups, high costs for any and every thing from vapporato rides, entry fees when there never were any, or they were modest, not to mention the run-away inflation in accommodaton pricing-even my favorite pensione more than tripled. Rediculous restaurant costs, for lower quality of food (of course, my favorite restaurant closed as the owners retired.)
Cinque Terre is kind of similar in that the towns all empty out in the evening. It's a different (better) vibe if you're staying there a couple nights. Still touristy, but they seemed to treat you more as a guest if you were there at night. For anyone who has Venice on their bucket list - just absolutely needs to see it once (which I do recommend) - 2021 might be a nice time to go given that cruise traffic will remain well down from its peak level even as borders reopen for land tourism. There are websites that will tell you which ships are in port on what dates, so you may be able to plan around them. (No idea how reliable the sites are.) I missed out on going to Dubrovnik before it went mainstream, so I'd like to do that one sometime before all the ships return in full force. |
via Trentalia
Venice is do-able IF properly planned. Ditto for the Cinque Terre. Two specific suggestions:
- We (family of 4) visited Venice by staying in Mestre (Four Points) & taking the Trentalia train (30 mn) to main train stn. Vaporetto or walk from there; - We (again) took a train from Florence to the Cinque Terre. There is another hop on / hop off train which stops @ all the villages along the coast to swim, eat, etc. Neither trip is do-able with a private vehicle i.e. abandon that idea! |
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