Arne now outright lying: says Bonvoy preferred 8:1 over SPG/MR
#16
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And - while legacy Marriott members now have new benefits well beyond they could have ever dreamed of - they also 1) have seen 50-100% point inflation, 2) IT/CS issues not apparently observed in the legacy program, 3) Plats now getting layered by Ambassadors, 4) downgrade in UA matching benefits for 50 night stayers, etc.
A mixed bad, maybe a net positive overall - a claimed 8:1 preference ratio, however, is beyond the pale
A mixed bad, maybe a net positive overall - a claimed 8:1 preference ratio, however, is beyond the pale
#17
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Arne - You are full of IT
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#18
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I have not experienced much common problems that year and I have received good and consistent ambassador treatment at legacy Marriott properties. My only complaint is the welcome points has shrinked by 30%.
#19
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Maybe the poll question was :
Which one you prefer :
Bonvoy
or
Your previous program
Then send this to ex Marriott Rewards members
Which one you prefer :
Bonvoy
or
Your previous program
Then send this to ex Marriott Rewards members
#20
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8:1 could mean that the sample size was 9 responses.
#21
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I'm just sure I've seen polls on FT before, no? Anyone able to insert one into this or another thread where we see how FTers feel how they would've voted in this hypothetical poll?
Granted, FTers aren't necessarily representative of the genpop, but we're more likely to make regular use of the program (and have thus had direct experiences with such scams as the "standard room" ripoff). And we've only got just a handful of shills actively participating in the forum, so I would guess that any results we generate here might be something worthy of picking up in the blogosphere and perhaps even mainstream news outlets.
Just sayin.
Granted, FTers aren't necessarily representative of the genpop, but we're more likely to make regular use of the program (and have thus had direct experiences with such scams as the "standard room" ripoff). And we've only got just a handful of shills actively participating in the forum, so I would guess that any results we generate here might be something worthy of picking up in the blogosphere and perhaps even mainstream news outlets.
Just sayin.
I agree that Marriott has a ways to go in terms of consistency and standardization, but I will leave 2 points
1. I was one of those pre-merger SPG people who moved to Marriott due to the ...... footprint of SPG
2. SPG had Sheraton among other brands. Which in the US tended to be an inconsistent dumpster fire.
Sure, with SPG the highs may have been higher, but the lows were pretty low - meaning you try to find a hotel and there isn't one, so you end up at a Hilton, Marriott or whatever status/benefit free. Its the same discussion about Hyatt - the highs are high, but good luck finding one.
So for the pre-merger Marriott members, they got a lot. For the pre-merger spg members, they lost some perks, but got a real hotel chain network. Not surprising that non-FTers are happy all around.
#22
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Hmm..Something doesnt add up. Legacy SPG folks were indeed "rabid" and fiercely loyal towards their loyalty program. it is not just coming from FT. Numerous blogs talked about it, business newspapers talked about it, even Arne admitted it several times.
But who amongst us are still fiercely loyal now? post after post after post, most people nowadays are voting with their wallets. They still stay at Marriott but theyre also staying somewhere else.
Maybe the non-status and low tier status folks in both SPG and Marriott prefer the new program 8:1. i mean much larger footprint, tons of choices. But the higher tier status folks from legacy SPG?? I dont think so...
Anyways my biggest disappointment when Bonvoy is MR's corporate culture. Prior to SPG being sold back in 2016 i believe, SPG corporate had our back. We WERE their clients. Marriott on the other hand, their clients are not us but the property owners. Hence all these "benefits" dont have any teeth if the properties wont commit. If properties wont commit, youre SOL or your on your own fighting for these benefits. I remember the good ol days in SPG when even calling the Platinum line to complain about something, the rep puts you on hold and they call the property to give them some scolding and forcing them to give you the benefits you deserved.
But im taking this as a blessing in disguise. Not being 100% loyal = saving money by staying at cheaper and nicer properties if it is a better alternative. Not like before, where by hook or by crook id be staying at an SPG property even though it was more expensive and/or the location wasnt ideal
But who amongst us are still fiercely loyal now? post after post after post, most people nowadays are voting with their wallets. They still stay at Marriott but theyre also staying somewhere else.
Maybe the non-status and low tier status folks in both SPG and Marriott prefer the new program 8:1. i mean much larger footprint, tons of choices. But the higher tier status folks from legacy SPG?? I dont think so...
Anyways my biggest disappointment when Bonvoy is MR's corporate culture. Prior to SPG being sold back in 2016 i believe, SPG corporate had our back. We WERE their clients. Marriott on the other hand, their clients are not us but the property owners. Hence all these "benefits" dont have any teeth if the properties wont commit. If properties wont commit, youre SOL or your on your own fighting for these benefits. I remember the good ol days in SPG when even calling the Platinum line to complain about something, the rep puts you on hold and they call the property to give them some scolding and forcing them to give you the benefits you deserved.
But im taking this as a blessing in disguise. Not being 100% loyal = saving money by staying at cheaper and nicer properties if it is a better alternative. Not like before, where by hook or by crook id be staying at an SPG property even though it was more expensive and/or the location wasnt ideal
#23
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Originally Posted by Antarius
Not surprising that non-FTers are happy all around.
But im taking this as a blessing in disguise. Not being 100% loyal = saving money by staying at cheaper and nicer properties if it is a better alternative. Not like before, where by hook or by crook id be staying at an SPG property even though it was more expensive and/or the location wasnt ideal
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#24
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I'm from SPG side and I do find Bonvoy was somewhat devaluation compare to SPG.
Biggest issue would be what Supatight80 said .... Marriott corporate culture is more siding with property owners.
The increase is footprint might be very valuable for some, but I believe there are others who prefer SPG corporate culture than better footprint offered by Marriott.
And also SPG , by numbers, have easier path for elite membership.
Multiple room credit, stay count, etc.
As for me, while I do find Bonvoy is inferior than old SPG, but their offering currently still acceptable for my purpose hence I still continuing with Bonvoy.
However, if asked if I prefer SPG or Bonvoy, then I wouldn't hesitate to say I prefer SPG
Biggest issue would be what Supatight80 said .... Marriott corporate culture is more siding with property owners.
The increase is footprint might be very valuable for some, but I believe there are others who prefer SPG corporate culture than better footprint offered by Marriott.
And also SPG , by numbers, have easier path for elite membership.
Multiple room credit, stay count, etc.
As for me, while I do find Bonvoy is inferior than old SPG, but their offering currently still acceptable for my purpose hence I still continuing with Bonvoy.
However, if asked if I prefer SPG or Bonvoy, then I wouldn't hesitate to say I prefer SPG
#25
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Going from SPG plat 50, to Bonvoy Platinum (ridiculous name, Bonvoy), is definitely a major devaluation.
#26
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They said that when Esso changed its name to Exxon, too. Let me make a few points, here:
1) FTers are not representative of the average Marriott customer, and comprise but a microscopic percentage of the traveling public.
2) IMO FTers are overwhelmingly negative and critical. I see far more posts about misses than hits.
3) As margarita girl pointed out upthread, there is an argument that things have improved for pre-merger Marriott folks.
4) I'm unprepared to call anyone a liar, especially in such a hugely public way as a popular forum, without more than unfounded suspicion. If anyone here has proof beyond what strikes them as reasonable/logical, please post it in the thread.
1) FTers are not representative of the average Marriott customer, and comprise but a microscopic percentage of the traveling public.
2) IMO FTers are overwhelmingly negative and critical. I see far more posts about misses than hits.
3) As margarita girl pointed out upthread, there is an argument that things have improved for pre-merger Marriott folks.
4) I'm unprepared to call anyone a liar, especially in such a hugely public way as a popular forum, without more than unfounded suspicion. If anyone here has proof beyond what strikes them as reasonable/logical, please post it in the thread.
#27
Join Date: Feb 2019
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It is common for companies to create focus groups of customers, and require that participants agree to non disclosures of what is in the survey (no screen shots or posts online regarding content, etc.). That is probably why you haven't heard about it.
For whatever reason, several companies have asked me to participate in these things. I enjoy doing it. And I comply with the non disclosure.
For whatever reason, several companies have asked me to participate in these things. I enjoy doing it. And I comply with the non disclosure.
#29
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There are really only 5 of us in my group that all travel a lot (150+ days a year) and post merger 5/5 prefer the new Bonvoy over pre Marriott/SPG
YMMV
YMMV
#30
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Lies, damn lies and then stats!
Sure something was done in a controlled way to create this result so its no doubt real but completely meaningless other than a CEO to make out a disaster of a merger is great!
Sure something was done in a controlled way to create this result so its no doubt real but completely meaningless other than a CEO to make out a disaster of a merger is great!