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Dr. HFH Nov 13, 19 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 31732607)
The point remains - a 90% preference rate just doesn’t happen. Anywhere, in any type of data. That is basically unanimous.

Your source for this alleged fact?

Take the 1972 Presidential election. Nixon took 96.8% of the electoral votes. And won 98% of the states (96% if you count the District of Columbia). Or how about the 1984 election? Reagan won 97.6% of the electoral votes, and, the same as in 1972, 98% of the states (96% if you count the District of Columbia). And in an election, you have no concern about the wording of the question potentially skewing the results. What is an election if not a measure of people's preference?

Just a couple of months ago, more than 93 per cent of respondents to a British Columbia government survey said that they want permanent daylight savings time.

In a recent survey conducted by Bloomberg, 99.6% of more than 5,000 Tesla Model 3 customers surveyed said that the vehicle was a pleasure to drive.

In a survey conducted earlier this year by Vertiv and 451 Research of major telecom operators, more than 90% said that they believe that 5G will result in higher energy costs.

Do I need to keep going?



Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 31734240)
SPG devalued. MR devalued. HH devalued. AA devalued. DL devalued. Avios devalued... Do you see a trend here?

I bet that if you check, you'll also find that GM and Ford have raised prices over the same period of time. How about gasoline for your vehicle? And the cash price of hotel rooms. Do you see a trend here?

Herb687 Nov 13, 19 7:44 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 31734371)
I bet that if you check, you'll also find that GM and Ford have raised prices over the same period of time. How about gasoline for your vehicle? And the cash price of hotel rooms. Do you see a trend here?

I do see a trend. Snark that proves my point.

If a travel provider is going to reward me with points of dubious and eroding value, I may as well prefer the program that at least gives me a wide footprint and broad choice of generally decent properties.

My travel takes me to lots of places that, pre-merger, had zero or few SPG options. To now be able to stay in a property like the Ambassador in ICT or the Raphael in KC (granted there were SPG choices pre-merger in KC, but none particularly good) and earn a few points along the way is a big benefit to me. And in places like, say, BTL, SHV, TVC and other small cities where I have to travel, I've gone from having zero SPG options to multiple Dumbname ones.

Dr. HFH Nov 13, 19 7:51 pm


Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 31734433)
If a travel provider is going to reward me with points of dubious and eroding value, I may as well prefer the program that at least gives me a wide footprint and broad choice of generally decent properties.

Dollar bills have constantly eroding value, too.

Herb687 Nov 13, 19 7:55 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 31734459)
Dollar bills have constantly eroding value, too.

What's your point, Dr. Non Sequitur?

Dr. HFH Nov 13, 19 8:02 pm


Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 31734433)
If a travel provider is going to reward me with points of dubious and eroding value, I may as well prefer the program that at least gives me a wide footprint and broad choice of generally decent properties.


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 31734459)
Dollar bills have constantly eroding value, too.


Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 31734465)
What's your point, Dr. Non Sequitur?

My point is that while you complain that the Marriott currency (Bonvoy points) has constantly eroding value, find me a currency that doesn't have constantly eroding value. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Herb687 Nov 13, 19 8:17 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 31734479)
My point is that while you complain that the Marriott currency (Bonvoy points) has constantly eroding value, find me a currency that doesn't have constantly eroding value. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Ok. But macroeconomic inflation seems rather meta for this board. If I had a choice of taking my reward in Bonvoy points or greenbacks, I'd probably choose dollars. But no such choice exists. Not directly at least.

Bonvoy points have constantly eroding value. Just like HHonors points and AAdvantage miles. Devaluation seems to be a major bone of contention for many on this board. I'm simply pointing out that Marriott is likely no better and no worse than its hotel competitors (and airlines). They all devalue. So, despite devaluation, it's possible for the big picture of what Marriott offers vs. what SPG used to offer to still favor the new Marriott program.

UA-NYC Nov 13, 19 10:28 pm

Citing the electoral college as representative of the will of the people...truly SMH. Unbelievable.

Dr. HFH Nov 13, 19 11:14 pm


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 31734823)
Citing the electoral college as representative of the will of the people...truly SMH. Unbelievable.

OK, I can see your point. Knock out all the election examples. How about the non-election examples?

  • Just a couple of months ago, more than 93 per cent of respondents to a British Columbia government survey said that they want permanent daylight savings time.
  • In a recent survey conducted by Bloomberg, 99.6% of more than 5,000 Tesla Model 3 customers surveyed said that the vehicle was a pleasure to drive.
  • In a survey conducted earlier this year by Vertiv and 451 Research of major telecom operators, more than 90% said that they believe that 5G will result in higher energy costs.

Where does that leave your assertion that:

Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 31732607)
... a 90% preference rate just doesn’t happen. Anywhere, in any type of data. That is basically unanimous.


hhoope01 Nov 14, 19 6:46 am

This thread is closed as the discussion has moved into OMNI territory. If anyone wants to continue the discussion they can start a thread there.

hhoope01
Marriott Bonvoy Co-Moderator


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