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Marriott to Eliminate Single-use Toiletry Bottles

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What kind of bath amenities are currently offered by each brand:

List up information on the various hotel chains, so that people can see which ones has already moved to the new policy, and which are still based on the old.

Bulk dispensers (wall mounted or otherwise):
aLoft
element by Westin
Four Points US (not sure about other regions)
Moxy​​​​​​​
Residence Inn (Dec 2019)
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Single use bottles:
Renaissance (Dec 2019)
Ritz Carlton
St Regis
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Mixed, depends on the property:






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Old Oct 6, 19, 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by TravelinSperry View Post
Guess I've got to buy bar soap and carry it with me from now on. Not sure how bar soap is worse than large plastic bottles. Seems to me they can use small bar soap that is wrapped in recycled paper. And then it'd be the best solution for all (tamper evident) and no plastic large or small.
Try this.
25 pack PAYA Organics Face and Body Bar - 1.5oz Bars
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Old Oct 6, 19, 8:07 pm
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Originally Posted by TravelinSperry View Post
Guess I've got to buy bar soap and carry it with me from now on. Not sure how bar soap is worse than large plastic bottles. Seems to me they can use small bar soap that is wrapped in recycled paper. And then it'd be the best solution for all (tamper evident) and no plastic large or small.
I've carry bar soap. It's not a liquid so doesn't have to be in my 311 bag, doesn't take much space, keeps me smelling the same as at home and is much better than trying to unwrap a postage-stamp sized bar of soap when your hands are wet.
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Old Oct 6, 19, 11:28 pm
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Originally Posted by rickg523 View Post
Try this.
25 pack PAYA Organics Face and Body Bar - 1.5oz Bars https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E3E62PQ..._H9OMDbJDF06J3
Not a fan of strong fragrance soaps... is this subtle, no fragrance or strong?
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Originally Posted by RoxyMountain View Post
It appears you are complaining that the poor people you hired to clean your homes are bad at putting stuff in the right can. I have had great success with the poor people I hire to clean my houses. Perhaps it is an upper management issue rather than a poor people issue?
I would say it’s not a complaint as much as it is recognizing human nature for what it is and the tendency of hired people to cut corners when doing work assigned by others and knowing that they don’t have a full-time spy on their back. Just likes it’s not a complaint as much as recognizing the nature of business interests when business interests use “the environment”, “charity” or any other spin language as part and parcel of trying to jack up their revenue and/or profits (via cutting corners, reducing their own taxes or whatever else) because it makes financial sense for the business and is expected to help maximize their financial returns.

I have 10+ categories of recycling at many of my residences and want it done right. But I more than suspect that some staff/contractors have a way less dedicated, informed and detail-oriented approach to doing jobs passed/outsourced to them than when the job is done by the people coming up with the orders in the first place. Sure, it’s possible to dumb down a sorting and recycling job for others to do, but then doesn’t that defeat the purpose of maximizing the recycling effort and the return from recycling efforts? Sure, it’s possible to pay way more to try to hire someone with the same detail-oriented obsession as myself and who has the same commitment level to recycling and environmental causes, but if that means they have to commute in their own vehicles and displace locals who may be able to use public transport like I do where I can, then doesn’t that defeat the purpose of trying to “keep it local” as a way of “saving the world”?

You can make an effort to try to educate people why that which you think is important should also be just as important to them too, but people operate in a world where there are competing values applicable upon their time and money and where each “educated” individual has their own interests and circumstances in play in such a way that they are unlikely to ever be in 100% alignment 100% of the time with the “educator”.

Do you take as much issue with how poorly Marriott hotels deal with garbage sorting and recycling as with how I do things? Marriott does a poor job even with sorting out its mass of food waste, so should we be welcoming a move to Marriott eliminating hotel restaurants and included breakfasts in particular?

Marriott is not making this toiletry move to educate its customer base. Marriott is making this move to maximize its financial returns regardless of the impact of the change upon the environment. I can’t wait until Marriott borrows another move used by cost-cutting lodging services exploiting “the environment”: bed linen/towel provision/service charges to reduce “the damage” done by “excessive” laundry.
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Old Oct 7, 19, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by TravelinSperry View Post
Not a fan of strong fragrance soaps... is this subtle, no fragrance or strong?
Me neither. It's not perfume-y.
Light scent, kind of like papaya or mango.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
I have 10+ categories of recycling at many of my residences and want it done right.


Wow! I can name about 3, and that's it.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
I have 10+ categories of recycling at many of my residences ....
Many of your residences? Do tell.


Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
Do you take as much issue with how poorly Marriott hotels deal with garbage sorting and recycling as with how I do things? Marriott does a poor job even with sorting out its mass of food waste....
How does Marriott handle its garbage sorting and food waste?


Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
Marriott is not making this toiletry move to educate its customer base.
Perhaps not educating anyone, but it might be making this change to have a positive effect on the environment while also effecting a cost reduction.


Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
Marriott is making this move to maximize its financial returns regardless of the impact of the change upon the environment.
Any data or factual information to back that up?
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Many of your residences? Do tell.


Oh, I missed that!

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Originally Posted by Visconti View Post

Wow! I can name about 3, and that's it.
For starters:

Food waste.
Containers/packaging material that provides cash refund/rebate.
Soft plastic.
Hard plastic.
Newspapers and other such papers.
Magazines/coated paper.
Clear glass.
Colored glass.
Metal.
Textile.
Wood.
Batteries.
Bulbs.
Electronics.
Garden waste.



Anyone waiting for Marriott hotels to eliminate "single-use" toilet paper and tell people to just use water instead to clean themselves after relieving their bowels and bladder, all as part of "saving the world" in the financial interest of Marriott hotels? Less toilet paper use would be good for the environment, as paper manufacture is a massive chemical user, a massive pollution-making process and increases demand to cut trees (among other things) and generally involves a lot of transport of wood by fossil-fuel-using vehicles (trains and trucks among others).

So who here is willing to welcome Marriott eliminating "single-use" toilet paper in the hotel bathrooms on the same basis as eliminating "single-use" toiletries in the hotel bathrooms?

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If they want to reduce toilet paper usage by installing bidets I’m all for it.
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If they want to reduce toilet paper usage by installing bidets I’m all for it.
Reduce toilet paper stocks in the hotel bathrooms to the point of eliminating toilet paper rolls/stock in the hotel bathrooms in the way single-use toiletries are to be eliminated from the hotel bathrooms?

As with single use toiletries, hotels could eliminate the toilet paper stocking in the hotel bathrooms and make toilet paper available on request. Perhaps they should consider doing the same for the single-use toiletries: eliminating them as a default amenity in the rooms but making them a complimentarily-included amenity available on demand by an individual hotel guest.
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It seems the end of miniature toiletries are coming in more forms than just Marriott and IHG.

https://onemileatatime.com/californi...el-toiletries/

Even if the time line is rather long.
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How will this impact lotion? I couldn't care less about shared body wash (and I just use that for my hair too), but I use the lotion daily ... will they have large bottles of lotion in the rooms now, presumably mounted in a way so they don't get taken?
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Originally Posted by cmcc View Post
For anyone who is worried about landfills, etc., you can get yourselves up to speed with this:

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/30/m...s-garbage.html
Cool. The NY times didnt even have a website until 2 months before this piece was published.

I'm sure there were plenty of articles talking about the internet being stupid then too.
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Originally Posted by kennycrudup View Post
How will this impact lotion? I couldn't care less about shared body wash (and I just use that for my hair too), but I use the lotion daily ... will they have large bottles of lotion in the rooms now, presumably mounted in a way so they don't get taken?
So far in the hotels I have been to with wall mounted dispensers, the body lotion has still been small bottles. Though with the announcement, that may change.
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