May 31, 2020, 11:57 pm
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What kind of bath amenities are currently offered by each brand:
List up information on the various hotel chains, so that people can see which ones has already moved to the new policy, and which are still based on the old.
Bulk dispensers (wall mounted or otherwise):
aLoft
element by Westin
Four Points, US (unsure, other areas) (Dec 2020)
Moxy
Residence Inn (Dec 2019)
Single use bottles:
Courtyard (Dec 2020)
Renaissance (Dec 2019)
Ritz Carlton
St. Regis
Westin (Dec 2020)
Mixed, depends on the property:
List up information on the various hotel chains, so that people can see which ones has already moved to the new policy, and which are still based on the old.
Bulk dispensers (wall mounted or otherwise):
aLoft
element by Westin
Four Points, US (unsure, other areas) (Dec 2020)
Moxy
Residence Inn (Dec 2019)
Single use bottles:
Courtyard (Dec 2020)
Renaissance (Dec 2019)
Ritz Carlton
St. Regis
Westin (Dec 2020)
Mixed, depends on the property:
Marriott to Eliminate Single-use Toiletry Bottles
Sep 8, 2019, 9:00 am
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Let us know how that works out for you. 
As I have said, for years I saw those little bottles as wasteful and inefficient. My view had nothing to do with "virtue-signaling" (whatever that is), Celebrities, Royalty, Marriott marketing department, or private jets. Just the simple fact that there are more efficient, less wasteful, ways to deliver shampoo.
As I have said, for years I saw those little bottles as wasteful and inefficient. My view had nothing to do with "virtue-signaling" (whatever that is), Celebrities, Royalty, Marriott marketing department, or private jets. Just the simple fact that there are more efficient, less wasteful, ways to deliver shampoo.
And they'll save a few bucks in the process. It's a social and financial win for them.
Sep 8, 2019, 9:08 am
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We agree. There are more efficient, less wasteful ways of delivering shampoo. But if that were all it was about then Marriott would have done it without fanfare or patting themselves on the back. Instead they issued a glowing press release about how wonderful they are and trotted out their CEO to be adored in fawning media interviews.
And they'll save a few bucks in the process. It's a social and financial win for them.
And they'll save a few bucks in the process. It's a social and financial win for them.
Sep 8, 2019, 9:18 am
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Marriott estimates that, when the transition is complete, it will prevent around 500 million small bottles, or 1.7 million pounds of plastic, from entering landfills every year. ^ That is hardly a drop in the bucket.
IHG and Hilton have started similar initiatives. This trend is not going away.
IHG and Hilton have started similar initiatives. This trend is not going away.
Sep 8, 2019, 9:34 am
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https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...-2020-n1047116
Naguib said most Marriott hotels will eliminate small bottles by July 1, 2020. Luxury brands will get rid of them by the end of 2020. Lower-priced brands will have dispensers or bottles that are tethered to the shower wall. Luxury brands will have untethered bottles. The bottles hold the equivalent of 10 to 12 small bottles, and all are tamper resistant.
The larger bottles will still be plastic, and Marriott still plans to replace them — not just refill them — when they run low. But Naguib said the larger bottles are easier to recycle than smaller ones.
The larger bottles will still be plastic, and Marriott still plans to replace them — not just refill them — when they run low. But Naguib said the larger bottles are easier to recycle than smaller ones.
"Human nature is what it is and we resist change," he said. "But people understand that this is so much better."
Sep 8, 2019, 10:56 am
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Not landfills, the larger bottles are easier to recycle as they can be rinsed out.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...-2020-n1047116
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...-2020-n1047116
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We agree. There are more efficient, less wasteful ways of delivering shampoo. But if that were all it was about then Marriott would have done it without fanfare or patting themselves on the back. Instead they issued a glowing press release about how wonderful they are and trotted out their CEO to be adored in fawning media interviews.
And they'll save a few bucks in the process. It's a social and financial win for them.
And they'll save a few bucks in the process. It's a social and financial win for them.
Sep 8, 2019, 12:03 pm
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This assumes housekeeping staff are going to take the time to actually do this which I feel is going to be highly unlikely in the majority of cases. They're going to get tossed in the trash bag on the side of the housekeeping cart along with everything else and end up right in the same spot which would otherwise be occupied by a dozen small bottles.
Sep 8, 2019, 12:18 pm
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It's no more an assumption than assuming already overworked and underpaid staff are actually going to take the time to do this. What is outlined in Marriott policy and what actually happens at each individual hotel property are often very different things.
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If you find anything to support your theory of significant amounts going to landfill let us know. Should be simple, a weekend of dumpster diving at your local Springhill Suits should do it.
Sep 8, 2019, 12:36 pm
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They are placing an empty bottle in the right receptacle, not curing cancer.
If you find anything to support your theory of significant amounts going to landfill let us know. Should be simple, a weekend of dumpster diving at your local Springhill Suits should do it.
If you find anything to support your theory of significant amounts going to landfill let us know. Should be simple, a weekend of dumpster diving at your local Springhill Suits should do it.
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Nothing wrong with it at all. It's altruism with a payoff. If it didn't help the bottom line however they'd probably still be putting little bottles in their rooms. If making the change cost them more it wouldn't happen regardless of the demands from the eco-glitterati.
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From having had lots of experience having hired staff/contractors to clean my residences, I can say that most paid cleaning staff seem way less comprehensive and accurate in recycling/sorting than when I would do it myself. And I’ve definitely noted a correlation between the recycling ending up in the general/burn waste and the socio-economic/demographic background of cleaning staff/contractors.
Sep 8, 2019, 2:36 pm
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From having had lots of experience having hired staff/contractors to clean my residences, I can say that most paid cleaning staff seem way less comprehensive and accurate in recycling/sorting than when I would do it myself. And I’ve definitely noted a correlation between the recycling ending up in the general/burn waste and the socio-economic/demographic background of cleaning staff/contractors.
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Guess I've got to buy bar soap and carry it with me from now on. Not sure how bar soap is worse than large plastic bottles. Seems to me they can use small bar soap that is wrapped in recycled paper. And then it'd be the best solution for all (tamper evident) and no plastic large or small.
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For anyone who is worried about landfills, etc., you can get yourselves up to speed with this:
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/30/m...s-garbage.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/30/m...s-garbage.html