Antarius

I'm nor pretending - I'm stating. Airport lounge showers and public restrooms have had dispensers for years.

unless you can cite an example, I do not believe there is a known epidemic or infectious disease problem that has been linked to soap dispensers.

KRSW

As currently implemented by Marriott, I'm not sure there really is an environmental benefit. Here's what is currently being used in the limited-service properties: https://www.mariettahospitality.com/...A+Tea+Tree.php

As you may note, they're only 8 oz, non-refillable bottles, complete with a permanently-attached pump dispenser. The current single-use bottles are either 2oz or 1oz depending upon the property. So, 1 dispenser pump bottle = 4-8 regular bottles. Prima-facia it seems like a good deal, BUT what's the real environmental cost? These are single-use bottles and can't be recycled -- there's multiple types of plastic AND most likely a metal spring inside of there, so they're heading straight for the landfill. Seriously, I'll see if I can snag an empty bottle from the hotel this weekend and do a proper teardown with photos for everyone & weigh out the components.

As a side note:
1) Cradle-to-grave, a Mercedes S-Class, including all of the gasoline it will consume in its lifetime, is more environmentally-friendly and puts out less CO2 than a Prius.
2) Cows are quite windy. (We can't have a 100+ post thread on FT without some mention of breaking wind, right?) The result is ~2300kg of CO2 per year. A car puts out ~108g/km. Do the math and you'll find that a single cow's farts in a year are equivalent to driving 21,296km (13,232 miles).
3) I guess if you want to be environmentally-friendly, drive a Mercedes S-Class instead of a Prius and eat more cows to keep them destroying the Earth. .

Antarius

Mouthwash does. Most soaps do not. In the last couple months , I've stayed at the following hotels that do not have seals on their soaps, shampoos or lotions.

1. 4 luxury collection hotels (milton brown and others)
2. W
3. CY
4. FF
5. RI
6. JW marriott
7. SHS
8. Autograph collection hotel
9. RC
10. Westin

In addition, the Grand Hyatt, Hyatt Regencys, Hyatt Place and Hyatt houses do not have sealed minis either.

The only one that I can remember is the LM with the little seals on the Malin + Goetze cosmetics.

no one is advocating an open jar of mouthwash. They are sealed. But most soap and shampoos do not have tamper proof seals, and this hasnt caused an issue.

CPH-Flyer

The mouthwash is always sealed, but shampoo in my experience very rarely come with a visible seal. Maybe some of the click liids have something that should make you able to notice if it has been opened before, but I don't seem to notice it then.

Handcake

I've only found one hotel that has that brand and only for the Club Level or Suite rooms. The soap they were providing wasn't as good quality as what I buy myself from that store. It is the soap I have used for years, so I can feel the difference. If you were getting the $8 ones, must mean they were putting out the full size travel ones, which I would snag SO fast too. The hotel I stayed at that had a kit (Sheraton Seoul Place) had soaps half the size of the official travel ones you can buy at airports or the actual stores. I think it was a lower priced item made for gifts or the hotel? I don't know but I wish I could find a hotel with the full size travel bars! I'd stay there every time!

I bring my own bars of soap with me when I travel. I am not so picky on shampoo, but my skin doesn't like a lot of the soaps hotels put out there and I don't do body wash.

GUWonder

s0ssos

I suppose you can also get sick from being outside. There are germs everywhere! Maybe also from touching other people. Do you ever touch things other people touch?

I would say the "big leap" you are taking is that everybody will get some irreversible contagious disease. Really? You know we deal with bacteria all the time, right? In fact, you have quite a few on your skin. I'm pretty sure you continuously wash your skin though, to prevent yourself from getting ill.

s0ssos

As another poster mentioned, you haven't made the leap to this actual causing illness. "Disease vector" is just a term for bacteria, viruses, etc. Almost all humans have immune systems. People usually don't die from ingesting some dirt (otherwise that would be classified as a weapon of mass destruction and bioterrorism. Though maybe in your book it already is. Someone running around throwing dirt at people!!!)

As to why it is a "leap": your logic is that transferred germs can make ill people, and thus transferred germs cause ill people. A can lead to B, and thus A causes B. Except we don't know whether B actually happens.
If you substitute A for carbon products, B for life, most people agree that carbon products can lead to life. But does just having carbon products cause life? Obviously not.

Cathay Dragon 666

Great, now I can look forward to:

1) Dispensers not filled up, needed to call management, wait 30 minutes to 2 hours for someone to come and do the refill, and after-hours, tough luck, sleep dirty.

2) Dispensers filled with the wrong type of cleansers. Usually the culprit is Body Lotion being misplaced as Hair Conditioners, but also lazy staff simply filling shampoo as body wash or vice-versa.

3) Mixed dispensers that have contents filled years ago. Granted this is a long-term problem, but these cleaners do undergo chemical changes as time elapses, and not for the better. It can cause skin irritation, rashes, or worse.

4) Broken dispensers that makes it hard to get anything out. Call for service? Wait wait and wait, and again, after-hours? Sleep dirty.

From the hotel side, this will not save them money but cost them more. Studies has shown with little bottles, most people don't ask for extras but conserves what they use. But with dispensers, they are likely to pump each use multiple times and multiple uses during a single shower, which means the inventory for shampoo, conditioner, and body wash shoots up through the roof rather than bringing savings.

s0ssos

That definitely not true for FT. Anybody remember that one where the person complained the staff commented when he asked for an extra big bottle of lotion (or something) for his one-night stay in a luxury hotel? About how he is cheap or something in Cantonese (I think it was in HK)

s0ssos

Is the compostable "plastic" way too expensive for normal use? You know, those plastic cups which say they are from plant-based materials and biodegradable?

chipmaster

What a small but admirable effort! Clever to time it with the world wide focus on the terribles of plastic polluting the world and leverage that to cut a little cost and put a little simpler dispenser in.

1) I rather do like the small bottles and what is left of the lotion, I'll admit I take with me to use at my company gym. The soap/shampoo no need, my company has bulk dispenser there and I use it.

2) OMG the germ a phobes, LOL. Don't you know what doesn't kill you makes you strong All them post about germs, mold OMG, you are roall ad warriors and use publc restrooms, share air with some random people who have traveled the world in airplanes ( know how dirty that seat, pocket, tray are? ) elevators, maybe even shared the bed with them too, and you worry about the bulk soap and lotion containers.

GUWonder

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