Marriott refusing to honor old points rate prior to March 5th
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Marriott refusing to honor old points rate prior to March 5th
Hey guys,
I made a reservation with Marriott points advance to the Maldives on March 4th and prior to March 5th (when the new categories came into effect). It is for a stay at St Regis Maldives. Because of availability, I had to make 2 separate bookings. 1st was for 3 nights in garden Villa and cost 180k points. The 2nd was for 2 nights in OWV and cost 160k points. Since it's 2 different bookings in different room types, Marriott refused to give me a free night (I'm a gold member) which is painful but that's apparently the rule.
However, now Marriott claims that my 2nd booking was made on the 5th (and the 1st booking on the 4th) and say they're going to charge 240k points for the 2 OWV nights (that's the new going rate). I told them that both bookings were made around the same time and for sure on the 4th. For some weird reason, I never got confirmation emails for either booking. However, I sent an email to St Regis Maldives on the 4th with both reservation numbers (gotten from the website) trying to combine both bookings into one. I've sent them that email twice but they've still not resolved the issue. I've now been trying to get those fixed for over a month now and they keep telling me someone from the right team would call or email me back but never do. It's been very frustrating.
Does anyone know of a way I can escalate this further? Thanks
I made a reservation with Marriott points advance to the Maldives on March 4th and prior to March 5th (when the new categories came into effect). It is for a stay at St Regis Maldives. Because of availability, I had to make 2 separate bookings. 1st was for 3 nights in garden Villa and cost 180k points. The 2nd was for 2 nights in OWV and cost 160k points. Since it's 2 different bookings in different room types, Marriott refused to give me a free night (I'm a gold member) which is painful but that's apparently the rule.
However, now Marriott claims that my 2nd booking was made on the 5th (and the 1st booking on the 4th) and say they're going to charge 240k points for the 2 OWV nights (that's the new going rate). I told them that both bookings were made around the same time and for sure on the 4th. For some weird reason, I never got confirmation emails for either booking. However, I sent an email to St Regis Maldives on the 4th with both reservation numbers (gotten from the website) trying to combine both bookings into one. I've sent them that email twice but they've still not resolved the issue. I've now been trying to get those fixed for over a month now and they keep telling me someone from the right team would call or email me back but never do. It's been very frustrating.
Does anyone know of a way I can escalate this further? Thanks
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I'd suggest reaching out to one of the Marriott Bonvoy Lurkers. They should be able to help get your issue moving toward resolution.
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I remember reading someone saying that bookings and cancellations follow properties’ timezones. I don’t know where OP is based and what time was the booking, but maybe it was already past the deadline in the Maldives?
Last edited by MePlatPremier; Jul 5, 2019 at 6:19 pm
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I never understanding why people waited until very last minute to book when time zone difference became an issue. PA reservations don't generate confirmation emails. I take screenshots when I make PA reservations.
Main thread:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...-thread-7.html
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My understanding is it is, akin to cancellation policy or advance purchase requirement, based on time zone of property. Maldives is UTC+5 but St Regis is, one hour ahead, UTC+6. It is unclear when OP actual made those PA reservations.
I never understanding why people waited until very last minute to book when time zone difference became an issue. PA reservations don't generate confirmation emails. I take screenshots when I make PA reservations.
Main thread:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...-thread-7.html
I never understanding why people waited until very last minute to book when time zone difference became an issue. PA reservations don't generate confirmation emails. I take screenshots when I make PA reservations.
Main thread:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...-thread-7.html
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Note if you try to make a cash 3 day advance purchase reservation, you need to make it 3 days prior to hotel's time zone. I learn this the hard way.
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I am not trying to argue your point, but when I make a reservation where I am physically located and the rate offered at that time should be honored regardless of wherever the destination is. It's unfortunate that the OP never got confirmation showing the rate at the time of reservation, though.
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Even SPG went by the property's time zone when the new chart went in effect. It has been a pet peeve for many SPG customers but that is how it is. On top of that SPG did not have point advance booking and points were deducted immediately at booking. People found the rate levels went up before the midnight of US time zones. SPG told them the change happened at the local time .
To go further on this, American Airlines ticketing deadline on award booking (the airline allows 5 days hold) is the 11:59pm of the departure city's time zone and NOT where you are physically located when you make the reservation, i.e. EST, CST, MST etc. Many have been caught by the CET - Central European Time when their departure cities are in Europe, and find out their reservations have been canceled when they go to ticket it before midnight of CST.
Why people wait till the very last moment to book their reward bookings is beyond me. But this seems to happen Every Year and then we see threads about their bookings are not honored...bla bla bla.
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Regardless, it doesn't make sense that it'd be based on the time zone of the Maldives because when I booked it, it clearly showed me the points required and it was the fewer points. To then change it on me afterwards is the issue.
I am not trying to argue your point, but when I make a reservation where I am physically located and the rate offered at that time should be honored regardless of wherever the destination is. It's unfortunate that the OP never got confirmation showing the rate at the time of reservation, though.
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My understanding is it is, akin to cancellation policy or advance purchase requirement, based on time zone of property. MLE is UTC+5 but St Regis is, one hour ahead, UTC+6. It is unclear when OP actual made those PA reservations.
I never understanding why people waited until very last minute to book when time zone difference became an issue. PA reservations don't generate confirmation emails. I take screenshots when I make PA reservations.
Main thread:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...-thread-7.html
I never understanding why people waited until very last minute to book when time zone difference became an issue. PA reservations don't generate confirmation emails. I take screenshots when I make PA reservations.
Main thread:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...-thread-7.html
My understanding is it is, akin to cancellation policy or advance purchase requirement, based on time zone of property. MLE is UTC+5 but St Regis is, one hour ahead, UTC+6. It is unclear when OP actual made those PA reservations.
I never understanding why people waited until very last minute to book when time zone difference became an issue. PA reservations don't generate confirmation emails. I take screenshots when I make PA reservations.
Main thread:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...-thread-7.html
I never understanding why people waited until very last minute to book when time zone difference became an issue. PA reservations don't generate confirmation emails. I take screenshots when I make PA reservations.
Main thread:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...-thread-7.html
I agree for paid, either by cash or points, reservations. PA reservations, which is unique to Marriott, are a different animal. It is academic anyway as OP doesn't seem to have screenshots.
Note if you try to make a cash 3 day advance purchase reservation, you need to make it 3 days prior to hotel's time zone. I learn this the hard way.
Note if you try to make a cash 3 day advance purchase reservation, you need to make it 3 days prior to hotel's time zone. I learn this the hard way.
However, if it really goes by the timezone of the property, my first reservation would also not have applied for the credit. The resort is 10 hours ahead of me and I definitely made both reservations a few minutes apart and in the evening. There's no way either reservation would have been made before their midnight and they recognize the first as being made on the 4th. As such, I doubt your thoughts that it's based on the resort's midnight.
Last edited by NewbieRunner; Jul 6, 2019 at 10:25 am Reason: Merge consecutive posts by same member
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And as someone else mentioned, midnight your time or the hotel’s time?
having said that, if you took a screen print, I hope Marriott will honor it.
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No. It goes by the time zone of the property.
Even SPG went by the property's time zone when the new chart went in effect. It has been a pet peeve for many SPG customers but that is how it is. On top of that SPG did not have point advance booking and points were deducted immediately at booking. People found the rate levels went up before the midnight of US time zones. SPG told them the change happened at the local time .
To go further on this, American Airlines ticketing deadline on award booking (the airline allows 5 days hold) is the 11:59pm of the departure city's time zone and NOT where you are physically located when you make the reservation, i.e. EST, CST, MST etc. Many have been caught by the CET - Central European Time when their departure cities are in Europe, and find out their reservations have been canceled when they go to ticket it before midnight of CST.
Why people wait till the very last moment to book their reward bookings is beyond me. But this seems to happen Every Year and then we see threads about their bookings are not honored...bla bla bla.
Even SPG went by the property's time zone when the new chart went in effect. It has been a pet peeve for many SPG customers but that is how it is. On top of that SPG did not have point advance booking and points were deducted immediately at booking. People found the rate levels went up before the midnight of US time zones. SPG told them the change happened at the local time .
To go further on this, American Airlines ticketing deadline on award booking (the airline allows 5 days hold) is the 11:59pm of the departure city's time zone and NOT where you are physically located when you make the reservation, i.e. EST, CST, MST etc. Many have been caught by the CET - Central European Time when their departure cities are in Europe, and find out their reservations have been canceled when they go to ticket it before midnight of CST.
Why people wait till the very last moment to book their reward bookings is beyond me. But this seems to happen Every Year and then we see threads about their bookings are not honored...bla bla bla.
Email from you on what? The time you said you made the reservation or an email from Marriott date stamped on when you made a reservation?
And as someone else mentioned, midnight your time or the hotel’s time?
having said that, if you took a screen print, I hope Marriott will honor it.
Last edited by NewbieRunner; Jul 6, 2019 at 10:26 am Reason: Merge consecutive posts by same member
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I sent Marriott an email shortly after making the reservation to combine my bookings. The argument I've heard from Marriott so far is that I made the reservation after midnight my time. My email (and the time stamp on it) confirms that I made the reservation before midnight my time. It's only on this thread that I'm hearing about midnight the resort's time. Marriott's CS hadn't used that as the reason previously (but then again, I haven't talked to the proper department still).
Someone mentioned that the two resorts were in two separate time zones so curious on that as well.
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What exactly was the time your email was sent and from what timezone? If you tell us this information, someone here can double check what time it would have been in the Maldives.
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thanks for that clarification. Hope you work it out. Just out of curiosity, how close were you to midnight of local time? As much mess the Marriott IT system is, timestamps are harder to mess up (but I’m not a IT person). In the master points advance thread Marriott has been making good on (most) bookings that were properly time stamped in the system.
Someone mentioned that the two resorts were in two separate time zones so curious on that as well.
The reservations are for the same resort. Just different room types
Last edited by NewbieRunner; Jul 6, 2019 at 10:27 am Reason: Merge consecutive posts by same member