Marriott Marquis was to host Brazilian president
May 4, 2019, 1:55 pm
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Marriott Marquis was to host Brazilian president
So disappointing. The Marriott Marquis decides to host this bigot when all the other venues canceled or declined.
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/05/...on-year-award/
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May 4, 2019, 2:31 pm
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So disappointing. The Marriott Marquis decides to host this bigot when all the other venues canceled or declined.
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/05/...on-year-award/
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/05/...on-year-award/
Here's Marriott's explanation, in the form of a carefully worded posting on Arne Sorenson's blog — in English and Portuguese:
When We Say Marriott Welcomes All, We Mean It, published on May 1, 2019
As far the topic name here ("I wish Marriott practiced better politics") is concerned, it seems to me that what really counts is not the politics and policies of a customer, but the politics and policies of the company. In this regard, Marriott International has an exemplary record of inclusiveness.
Newsweek: Marriott, American Airlines Top List Of Gay-Friendly Companies, by Daniel Avery, 4/1/19
Last edited by Horace; May 4, 2019 at 2:38 pm
May 4, 2019, 3:13 pm
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Off course, while many disagree with statements and are offended, many also believe in religious tolerance.
Marriott properties, like other hotels, often host groups that I find offensive and bigoted.
However, I hope that FTers can embrace the spirit of the First Amendment, which includes freedom of speech and religious tolerance. I hope Marriott does so as well. Ideas should fail based on their merit, rather than be being blocked. I rarely see posters on FT promote bigotry except ..as it relates to religious beliefs they don't agree with.
I hope we can all agree that FT should not be a forum to promote religious intolerance.
Marriott properties, like other hotels, often host groups that I find offensive and bigoted.
However, I hope that FTers can embrace the spirit of the First Amendment, which includes freedom of speech and religious tolerance. I hope Marriott does so as well. Ideas should fail based on their merit, rather than be being blocked. I rarely see posters on FT promote bigotry except ..as it relates to religious beliefs they don't agree with.
I hope we can all agree that FT should not be a forum to promote religious intolerance.
May 4, 2019, 4:57 pm
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Many of us non-Americans probably don’t hold the first amendment in the same way that it’s seen in the US, and the right to speech doesn’t mean that we have to associate with those who threaten rape and violence towards our communities. Not massively Christian, unless we’re focusing on the really Old Testament.
Us Europeans have lived through extremism in a way the US has not - up to now. We would all be wise to remember Karl Popper’s paradox of tolerance, developed as the Second World War was coming to an end (primarily thanks to America): “In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance”.
Us Europeans have lived through extremism in a way the US has not - up to now. We would all be wise to remember Karl Popper’s paradox of tolerance, developed as the Second World War was coming to an end (primarily thanks to America): “In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance”.
May 4, 2019, 6:07 pm
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Off course, while many disagree with statements and are offended, many also believe in religious tolerance.
Marriott properties, like other hotels, often host groups that I find offensive and bigoted.
However, I hope that FTers can embrace the spirit of the First Amendment, which includes freedom of speech and religious tolerance. I hope Marriott does so as well. Ideas should fail based on their merit, rather than be being blocked. I rarely see posters on FT promote bigotry except ..as it relates to religious beliefs they don't agree with.
I hope we can all agree that FT should not be a forum to promote religious intolerance.
Marriott properties, like other hotels, often host groups that I find offensive and bigoted.
However, I hope that FTers can embrace the spirit of the First Amendment, which includes freedom of speech and religious tolerance. I hope Marriott does so as well. Ideas should fail based on their merit, rather than be being blocked. I rarely see posters on FT promote bigotry except ..as it relates to religious beliefs they don't agree with.
I hope we can all agree that FT should not be a forum to promote religious intolerance.
May 4, 2019, 7:23 pm
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So disappointing. The Marriott Marquis decides to host this bigot when all the other venues canceled or declined.
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/05/...on-year-award/
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/05/...on-year-award/
May 4, 2019, 7:53 pm
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I'm just going to note that the decision of a single property to host an event has absolutely nothing to do with Marriott corporate's views.
May 4, 2019, 8:24 pm
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Folks,
I’ve deleted a number of off topic posts. Either this topic will be discussed without hyperbole and generalizations or it will be moved to OMNI.
Thanks,
yosithezet, Co-moderator, MB Forum
I’ve deleted a number of off topic posts. Either this topic will be discussed without hyperbole and generalizations or it will be moved to OMNI.
Thanks,
yosithezet, Co-moderator, MB Forum
May 4, 2019, 8:34 pm
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[I originally quoted a snippet from a post that was deleted by a moderator. The first sentence refers to this snippet.]
This is not the correct forum to denounce individuals or groups that are reviled by some and admired by others. At least, that's my opinion.
The issue here is not about Marriott actually "hosting" — planning, organizing, and footing the bill for — a meeting of a controversial group or a group that brings in a controversial speaker.
The issue here is whether Marriott should rent a meeting room to a group that is willing and able to pay.
If a group is engaging in or advocating illegal activity, that's something else — and the best course of action is to notify law enforcement.
A separate issue is what the politics and policies of Marriott International should be, and what Marriott should expect from its franchises. Arne Sorenson's blog (link in post 2 of this thread) explains the company's philosophy in this regard.
There are consumer companies that funnel money to organizations that my wife and I find reprehensible. We don't do business with such companies.
Marriott International, on the other hand, gets high marks for its employment practices and its inclusiveness.
This is not the correct forum to denounce individuals or groups that are reviled by some and admired by others. At least, that's my opinion.
The issue here is not about Marriott actually "hosting" — planning, organizing, and footing the bill for — a meeting of a controversial group or a group that brings in a controversial speaker.
The issue here is whether Marriott should rent a meeting room to a group that is willing and able to pay.
If a group is engaging in or advocating illegal activity, that's something else — and the best course of action is to notify law enforcement.
A separate issue is what the politics and policies of Marriott International should be, and what Marriott should expect from its franchises. Arne Sorenson's blog (link in post 2 of this thread) explains the company's philosophy in this regard.
There are consumer companies that funnel money to organizations that my wife and I find reprehensible. We don't do business with such companies.
Marriott International, on the other hand, gets high marks for its employment practices and its inclusiveness.
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May 4, 2019, 8:48 pm
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Off course, while many disagree with statements and are offended, many also believe in religious tolerance.
Marriott properties, like other hotels, often host groups that I find offensive and bigoted.
However, I hope that FTers can embrace the spirit of the First Amendment, which includes freedom of speech and religious tolerance. I hope Marriott does so as well. Ideas should fail based on their merit, rather than be being blocked. I rarely see posters on FT promote bigotry except ..as it relates to religious beliefs they don't agree with.
I hope we can all agree that FT should not be a forum to promote religious intolerance.
Marriott properties, like other hotels, often host groups that I find offensive and bigoted.
However, I hope that FTers can embrace the spirit of the First Amendment, which includes freedom of speech and religious tolerance. I hope Marriott does so as well. Ideas should fail based on their merit, rather than be being blocked. I rarely see posters on FT promote bigotry except ..as it relates to religious beliefs they don't agree with.
I hope we can all agree that FT should not be a forum to promote religious intolerance.
He has also advocated for torture, killing political enemies, and often says very racist and misogynistic things and pushes intolerance. What religion is that supposed to be?
May 5, 2019, 7:18 am
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I mean the StR Singapore just hosted Kim Jung Un. I don’t think there’s a more oppressive leader out there.
May 5, 2019, 7:22 am
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May 5, 2019, 7:39 am
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Various groups would have strong and in many cases legitimate objections to leaders of all countries, ranging from Trump, Putin, Xi, Obama (people hated his drone policy), MBS, Netanyahu, Macron, whoever. These are, for better or worse, world leaders (democratically elected or not), and need to stay at international hotel chains when conducting the business of their countries. While Bolsonaro is objectionable, I haven’t seen these complaints about Putin (who has been anti LGBTQ for decades) or MBS (leader of Saudi Arabia, where LGBTQ individuals were recently beheaded and crucified).