Seems like Bonvoy is a HORRIBLE deal for RC elites
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I’ve stayed at a lot of St Regis’s and maybe 10 RC’s and I have to say the worst St Regis is pretty close to the best RC for me, but obviously it’s a matter of taste.
I don’t actually think there is that much of an overlap in cities where they are located, but New York and Bali immediately come to mind.
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I’d say the St Regis Florence for me is the absolute pinnacle of the brand, with San Francisco being a well regarded US city hotel. Lots of other options, particularly in China where the St Regis is positioned for new money the same way the RC is positioned in the US for slightly older money.
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but the only way to get anything approaching worthwhile benefits from Bonvoy is to be Plat or higher. There's no spend component or multiplier, so 50 nights is 50 nights. This means, the guy staying 50 nights @$110/night will earn Plat, while a RC frequent guest that stays 10 night at $700/night is SOL.
I don't even think the $20,000 spending threshold for ambassador status is the best measure since Marriott International is betting big on international expansion, particularly in Asia but also Africa. Outside of maybe Hong Kong or Singapore, you could stay well over 100 nights at a hotel in one of Marriott's upscale brands and not spend $20,000.
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I'll keep it in mind if I find myself in Osaka again anytime soon. Trying the RC HKG for the first time in a few months. I usually stay at The Pottinger because of the location, or if I want luxury, The Peninsula. Thx
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But you can also achieve the lower tiers with spend.
Discoverist status is earned after 10 nights or 25,000 base points ($5,000 in spending).
Explorist status is earned after 30 nights or 50,000 base points ($10,000 in spending).
And with the new credit card you can attain status just with credit card spend.
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actually that would have been a nearly completely different company. The Marriott owned, for 20 years, Ritz-Carlton is only distantly related to the old Ritz hotels that The Ritz in Paris and London made the famous. In fact the Saint Rigis in Rome was originally built by that Ritz chain. The Ritz-Carlton in Chicago was part of that group and for years was not affiliated with the Marriott own RC company. It now is of courses .
As I recall the current RC grew out of a Ritz franchise in Boston that was more famous for building and managing residences with almost a side business of first class Hotels.
the description of a Ritz customer fits customers of the Ritz in Paris and Ritz in London, which aren’t affiliated with each other now or the Marriott owned Ritz-Carlton. It’s really a description to a class of hotels above Ritz-Carlton's like custerms of the Four Seasons, Mandarin Oriental, Penninsuls or Fairmont.
The RC for the last few decades have been a high end consumer chain with resorts focused on wealthy family vacations, doctor level wealth not private jet company owner level wealth. The hotels are focused of top end executives travel and smaller delux conferences with s sideline in weddings. Thiese realky are not the markets that true luxury hotels cater to.
This is is why a stay at the Oriental in Bangkok or the Carlyle in NY or George V it Ritz in Paris is a completely different experience than staying at a StR or RC. The StR in Rome and maybe Florence might be near that class of hotel.
the Ritz-Carlton is really the hotel version of Ralph Lauren Polo collection clothing sometimes working there way to the Polo Purple Lable stuff having the components of true Luxury goods but being off the rack at its and marketed to a wider audience. They’re in the Capital Grill chain restraint space not the Michelin star restaurant class. They really aren’t even close to the cost no object luxury market.
As I recall the current RC grew out of a Ritz franchise in Boston that was more famous for building and managing residences with almost a side business of first class Hotels.
the description of a Ritz customer fits customers of the Ritz in Paris and Ritz in London, which aren’t affiliated with each other now or the Marriott owned Ritz-Carlton. It’s really a description to a class of hotels above Ritz-Carlton's like custerms of the Four Seasons, Mandarin Oriental, Penninsuls or Fairmont.
The RC for the last few decades have been a high end consumer chain with resorts focused on wealthy family vacations, doctor level wealth not private jet company owner level wealth. The hotels are focused of top end executives travel and smaller delux conferences with s sideline in weddings. Thiese realky are not the markets that true luxury hotels cater to.
This is is why a stay at the Oriental in Bangkok or the Carlyle in NY or George V it Ritz in Paris is a completely different experience than staying at a StR or RC. The StR in Rome and maybe Florence might be near that class of hotel.
the Ritz-Carlton is really the hotel version of Ralph Lauren Polo collection clothing sometimes working there way to the Polo Purple Lable stuff having the components of true Luxury goods but being off the rack at its and marketed to a wider audience. They’re in the Capital Grill chain restraint space not the Michelin star restaurant class. They really aren’t even close to the cost no object luxury market.
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when its leisure stay, I really really don’t care much about getting a suite upgrade if we're on the CL floor.
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I absolutely agree, the staff at the CL in my experience brings an RC up to a a real luxury hotel or st least a Four Seasons level. This is especially the case when check in, is in the CL. I also think the house keeping staff of the CL floor is a bit better.
when its leisure stay, I really really don’t care much about getting a suite upgrade if we're on the CL floor.
However, many RCs don't really have club lounge floors--they just sell/assign whatever rooms to have lounge access.
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Also when the CL has open access to all rooms on a floor the hotel has to include it to use the room. I got upgraded to a CL floor room because of that. it was even on a 5th night free redemption stay. It was that stay that got me to get the RC card and we've been back a couple time.
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The Ritz Carlton in Geneva to me is probably one of the best in regards to recognition,location, and in pristine condition.
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May I ask what recognition? Do they give breakfast? I have a stay booked at Hotel Wilson but would consider.switching to RC if benefits good. Thanks.
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I recently stayed at the RC in Geneva and did not receive any recognition as a Plat. Just a thank you (no breakfast or upgrade). Yes, location is good and it's a nice historic building that's been well renovated, but I was hardly blown away for the price. YMMV.
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Well status recognition of Ambassdor status, a lovely welcome amenity in the room, and upgraded to lake view room. This was an overnight on a mileage run so me and my wife had to leave before breakfast but check out my video of the room below to get an idea
https://youtu.be/FHwEPDUyhWs