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Originally Posted by JBord
(Post 30640804)
So very, very true. And if the OP is really staying less than 50 nights, I'm not sure there's a significant difference in benefits between the two chains -- the question is do any of those small differences matter to him. Hilton might get you to a status faster -- I don't pay much attention, but occasionally I'm surprised to find that I've made some type of status in the first 6 months (usually Silver) at Hilton, even though it's by far my secondary option to Marriott.
At under 50 nights/yr, I'd probably be looking purely at the value of points and, IMO, Marriott beats Hilton there. I've slowly accumulated a lot of Hilton points and found that I never find a good way to spend them. |
I'm Platinum Premier with Marriott and Gold with Hilton.
At Marriott, I get the enhanced internet service for free. At Hilton, I just get the basic service for free. |
Originally Posted by Cledaybuck
(Post 30642546)
I don't know. Hilton gold looks better than Marriott gold to me. If the OP has a lot of one night stays he might be able to even make diamond. As for the value of the points, while Marriott points are worth more, I also find Hilton points easier to earn, making it all about even to me. YMMV.
But I agree, if the OP has a lot of "stays", Hilton might make sense. I think that's how I've always made Silver at Hilton, as I usually have about 10-12 one night stays per year. |
Originally Posted by JBord
(Post 30645114)
I think the biggest difference is that Hilton Golds get breakfast right? It also requires 40 nights, if that's the OP's counter, which is nearly Platinum at Marriott -- and the Platinum benefits are better than Hilton Gold.
But I agree, if the OP has a lot of "stays", Hilton might make sense. I think that's how I've always made Silver at Hilton, as I usually have about 10-12 one night stays per year. Here are the stays/nights for Hilton elite levels: Silver 4/10 Gold 20/40 Diamond 30/60 So yeah, Silver is pretty easy to make (and pretty useless, same as MR). The OP’s stay pattern could make a big difference. |
I am Hilton Diamond and Marriott Platinum Premier, though I just started a new job and travel will be much less. My 2 cents: Marriott, especially with the SPG merger, has better aspirational properties. Marriott has an actual award chart so you know how much you are going to spend for a free night. Hilton gives out miles like candy, but you have no clue how much a free room will be. It’s like Zimbabwean currency. In terms of higher end properties, Marriott is probably nicer than Hilton, though I like, in general, HGI and Hamptons better than Courtyards or Springhill/Fairfield. When looking at a city and comparable hotels I usually (maybe 75 percent of the time) find Hilton cheaper. That seems a more recent trend, but it could just be where I am traveling. I find Hilton stays more consistent. I have had some wonderful Marriott stays, but also some disasters. I have not had any real wow stays at Hilton, but never had any huge issues. Customer service and just getting basic things done have fallen off a cliff post merger at Marriott. It’s been 4 months, not sure when someone needs to say this isn’t working internally and heads roll. The attitude that there is nothing wrong is just off putting and arrogant. To me, the actual stay experience is most important so that is why I have had more stays at Hilton (for years I was almost exclusively Marriott, over 100 nights a year for years). At least that is when traveling by myself for work. My wife doesn’t like Hilton’s pillows, so with her on vacation it is usually Marriott. But as with anything, your experience will vary based on where you are staying, what is important to you (like pillows), etc. |
Originally Posted by Cledaybuck
(Post 30645167)
That and the 80% bonus. That said, I probably use points once a year (at most) anyway. It's only when I'm on vacation and can't find a hotel I like within my budget. So as someone else wrote, it really depends on what you value. I value the concierge lounge, free breakfast, an occasional room upgrade,a han dful of free night certs each year, and now suite night awards, which I get at PPE (and soon LT Plat). The OP needs to figure out what he wants out of it. |
Originally Posted by JBord
(Post 30652351)
Right, but I'm not sure the earn/spend value ratio is the same at Hilton as Marriott. I've done no scientific analysis, because I don't really care that much, but someone probably has. What I do know is I have a lot of Hilton points and when I've tried to use them the rate seems really high compared to most of the Marriotts I like, so I've nearly always used Marriott points as I feel I'm getting better value. BUT - it may just be that I understand Marriott point values better since that's my primary hotel company.
That said, I probably use points once a year (at most) anyway. It's only when I'm on vacation and can't find a hotel I like within my budget. So as someone else wrote, it really depends on what you value. I value the concierge lounge, free breakfast, an occasional room upgrade,a han dful of free night certs each year, and now suite night awards, which I get at PPE (and soon LT Plat). The OP needs to figure out what he wants out of it. As someone who is currently gold in both programs, I find very little I value in Marriott gold, aside from extra points. I do find value in the breakfast benefit for Hilton gold. All the things you value seem to start at Platinum. It seems to me that things tip back to Marriott when one gets to the Platinum/Diamond level. JMO. |
Originally Posted by Cledaybuck
(Post 30652777)
It seems to me that things tip back to Marriott when one gets to the Platinum/Diamond level. JMO.
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Originally Posted by JBord
(Post 30652351)
I'm not sure the earn/spend value ratio is the same at Hilton as Marriott. I've done no scientific analysis, because I don't really care that much, but someone probably has. What I do know is I have a lot of Hilton points and when I've tried to use them the rate seems really high compared to most of the Marriotts I like, so I've nearly always used Marriott points as I feel I'm getting better value. BUT - it may just be that I understand Marriott point values better since that's my primary hotel company.
For example, you might figure in a year you stay X times at a hotel costing Y/night for Z nights. Compute all the points including base points, elite bonus, arrival bonus, affinity credit card points, and an estimate of promos. Then compare it to the awards points cost of some desirable hotel "Q" where you'd like to stay. Run those numbers for two competing brand families and see which gets you nights at "Q" faster. @:-) |
Originally Posted by ftrichard
(Post 30639756)
Given that you're having this consistent experience why don't you do what I do: (a) I will always get the business card of someone with a decent job title in the lounge or the front desk so that I have a named email address at the property, and (b) I will always carry the paper folio away with me when I check out.
If the stay doesn't post or it posts incorrectly then you can email a named person at the hotel itself and ask them to fix it. I have 100% success rate with this approach and it's a lot easier than filling in a missing stay form on a web site and waiting for corporate to check it out, agree with you and fix it. For example, I only had one stay not post at a Design Hotel and after eight days (there's no excuse for a stay not posting within 48 hours) I wrote a nice email to the front desk thanking them for a great stay and asking them to ensure my stay posted. It appeared by magic within 24 hours. Similarly, I had Christmas Dinner at the W Bangkok and left with the blue points form in my wallet. I scanned it and emailed them this week because nothing had appeared and it was there the next morning. I think you're unlucky if you're having such a consistently bad experience with stays not posting but contacting the hotel itself directly will probably be less frustrating for you when trying to resolve. |
Originally Posted by vishalgupta22
(Post 30656634)
I do that all the time and it still took me at least 6-8 weeks to chase down and get the points. In the case of renaissance, KL I got the email of FD manager and have emailed her and all I got was "I have filled Marriott's missing points / stay form for you. If your points don't post in 14 days, please contact Marriott"
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SPG had numerous sales where MR points could be obtained after conversion for about 3/4 cent each. Hilton is currently offering points for 1/2 cent each. So, a reasonable starting point for relative values is 1.5 HH to 1 MR point.
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Originally Posted by vishalgupta22
(Post 30656634)
I do that all the time and it still took me at least 6-8 weeks to chase down and get the points. In the case of renaissance, KL I got the email of FD manager and have emailed her and all I got was "I have filled Marriott's missing points / stay form for you. If your points don't post in 14 days, please contact Marriott"
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Marriott wins again
Well, taking advantage of the one day only Jan 14 AAdvantage eShopping 10x miles for Marriott bookings yesterday, I am pretty sure I’ll make out like a bandit with Marriott. I literally had 40+ bookings already made for 2019 that I canceled and rebooked through the AA eShopping to take advantage of the offer. Not only will I earn tons of AA miles for stays I already had booked, I actually managed to lower my rates for almost half my stays. This on top of my amazing Ambassador. |
Originally Posted by bhrubin
(Post 30659682)
Well, taking advantage of the one day only Jan 14 AAdvantage eShopping 10x miles for Marriott bookings yesterday, I am pretty sure I’ll make out like a bandit with Marriott. I literally had 40+ bookings already made for 2019 that I canceled and rebooked through the AA eShopping to take advantage of the offer. Not only will I earn tons of AA miles for stays I already had booked, I actually managed to lower my rates for almost half my stays. This on top of my amazing Ambassador. |
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