Downgraded From Club Level Room At Ritz Carlton
CURRENTLY I AM IN COMMUNICATION WITH RITZ CARLTON MANAGEMENT REGARDING A RESOLUTION I am celebrating my birthday, this weekend 1/13/2019, at a Ritz Carlton property that I will not yet name. The reservation was made through AMEX FHR Travel and I received a confirmation of my stay. I further linked the reservation via my Marriott account where I have PLAT status. The confirmation email from the Ritz Carlton, I received after I linked the reservation, shows that I am booked for a Club level room for about $660 per night. Today, I get an email from the Ritz Carlton and reviewing my stay on their website to my surprise my Club room was downgraded to a basic level. room. I contacted customer service and was updated to my original club level room for about an additional $100. Has anyone experienced such a station? |
To be clear, did you actually book a Club room? |
Originally Posted by EuropeanPete
(Post 30632877)
To be clear, did you actually book a Club room? |
What I meant was whether you actually asked to book a Club room. Unfortunately Marriott as a whole is such a mess that you can’t necessarily rely on anything you read on Marriott.com or that you receive in an email. If you didn’t book a Club room it’s unlikely they intended to upgrade you and maybe temporarily had an error. If you did, then obviously you can’t be downgraded. |
Originally Posted by EuropeanPete
(Post 30632902)
What I meant was whether you actually asked to book a Club room. Unfortunately Marriott as a whole is such a mess that you can’t necessarily rely on anything you read on Marriott.com or that you receive in an email. If you didn’t book a Club room it’s unlikely they intended to upgrade you and maybe temporarily had an error. If you did, then obviously you can’t be downgraded. |
I'd have thought AMEX FHR would be the people to speak to about this? As mentioned before, the Marriott systems are all over the place at the moment, so I could well believe something has gone wrong. Obviously there's no way you owe $100 to receive a room you've already booked and I would not have accepted a $100 upcharge...
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Originally Posted by OUTraveling
(Post 30632928)
My original booking was for a Club level room.
I don't stay much at RC's but am normally upgraded there when I do but never to a Club room. |
Originally Posted by C17PSGR
(Post 30632955)
I'm assuming if you actually booked a Club level room through FHR (as opposed to that being the FHR upgrade), then you'll get it unless they are overbooked, in which case I presume they will make some sort of customer service accommodation. On the other hand, if you paid for a regular room through FHR and they inadvertently booked you in a Club room, I presume it is a mistake and they may make some sort of customer service accommodation.
I don't stay much at RC's but am normally upgraded there when I do but never to a Club room. |
But did you actually book a Club room? :p
In all seriousness, as others have mentioned above, the information on both the Apps and the website can be inaccurate. If you spoke to the property directly already to get this resolved, then great. Hope it gets resolved. |
Originally Posted by OUTraveling
(Post 30633164)
I booked this through an AMEX FHR representative and requested a Club room, in addition I verified the room category for a second time before booking. Upon reciving confirmation from AMEX, I took the confirmation and associated the reservation number to my account. As far as I know, Ritz does not upgrade to a Club Level room regardless of status upon mere association on their website.
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Originally Posted by OUTraveling
(Post 30633164)
I booked this through an AMEX FHR representative and requested a Club room, in addition I verified the room category for a second time before booking. Upon reciving confirmation from AMEX, I took the confirmation and associated the reservation number to my account. As far as I know, Ritz does not upgrade to a Club Level room regardless of status upon mere association on their website.
All that being said, if you booked a club room through Amex, why not just call them up and ask them what happened? Should be a really easy conversation. |
It does really sound like that OP’s original booking was not for a club room but rather booked a lower category and either was preupgraded on the reservation system or had a FHR upgrade (usually subject to availability) and when OP realized the reservation details mentioned club room he had a new confirmation email sent to him. The answer on post #3 is definitely not very straightforward and his apparent downgrade is a bit surprising as, usually, RCs club rooms are not a special category of rooms but rather a regular room whose key was coded to allow acces to the club lounge (not always though). However, if the reservation was indeed originally made for a club room, then I guess he’s entitled to, at the very least, the rate difference between club and regular room and a service recovery goodwill gesture from the hotel. As previously mentioned by several other posters, this should be handled through FHR—they should know which roomcategory the OP originally booked. |
Originally Posted by MePlatPremier
(Post 30633342)
The answer on post #3 is definitely not very straightforward and his apparent downgrade is a bit surprising. |
Originally Posted by OUTraveling
(Post 30633164)
I booked this through an AMEX FHR representative and requested a Club room, in addition I verified the room category for a second time before booking. Upon reciving confirmation from AMEX, I took the confirmation and associated the reservation number to my account. As far as I know, Ritz does not upgrade to a Club Level room regardless of status upon mere association on their website.
You should have received a written confirmation from AmEx PTS/CTS for your FHR bookings. I t should show whether or not you booked a club level room. This is what matters, not how the reservation was translated in the Starriott system, which has been seriously messed up for many months. Note that normally FHR rates are for regular "deluxe" rooms and you would need to pay a higher rate for a club level room, often about $100 per person per night, but the rate difference obviously depends on the hotel and possibly the rate plan you're using. As usual, FHR gives a one category upgrade at check in if available as well as daily continental breakfast and a guaranteed 4 pm checkout plus whatever special amenity the property offers. PTS/CTS phone agents should be able to tell you whether the one category upgrade at the property includes upgrades to club level rooms, but when I've booked FHR rates at RCs, the answer to this has been no. Moreover, MR Plat status does not entitle you to club lounge access at RC, nor are you entitled to "available" upgrades to club level rooms. Currently MR Plat status (50 nights per year level, not the new PP at 75 nights) also does not entitle you to a suite upgrade, although you would be entitled to an upgrade to a higher category nonsuite room (without club lounge access) if available at check in. |
Checking 4 of my reservations, all 4 have been downgraded from suites to basic rooms.
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Originally Posted by 360guy
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Checking 4 of my reservations, all 4 have been downgraded from suites to basic rooms.
RC reservations? If you were preupgraded to a suite as a Starriott Plat (not PP or PPwithAMB), this would be following the T&Cs. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 30633561)
RC reservations? If you were preupgraded to a suite as a Starriott Plat (not PP or PPwithAMB), this would be following the T&Cs. |
Originally Posted by 360guy
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Starwood and Marriott properties.
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Originally Posted by Zelucifer
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FHR?
https://www.fhrdigitaldirectory.com/ And yes, FHR has lots of upper end Marriott-related properties that participate. |
Originally Posted by dgreen12
(Post 30633816)
American Express Fine Hotels & Resorts (travel agency for Amex Platinum Card members)
https://www.fhrdigitaldirectory.com/ And yes, FHR has lots of upper end Marriott-related properties that participate. |
Originally Posted by Zelucifer
(Post 30633836)
I was asking if he booked through FHR. They've had a ton of issues with there online system since they started converting to offering 5x points on FHR bookings.
Originally Posted by OUTraveling
(Post 30632862)
The reservation was made through AMEX FHR Travel and I received a confirmation of my stay.
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Originally Posted by dgreen12
(Post 30633884)
Yes, he did (it's in the original post):
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There's no such thing as AmEx FHR travel. Most people using FHR rates would book through either PTS or CTS depending on the color of one's card, but AFAIK various other AmEx travel agencies can also book FHR rates. You can also book these rates online. |
So far the RC representative has confirmed I am staying in a Club level room again, but has not stated if it was due to their gracious +$75 upgrade charge I was billed nor if my upgrade will negate the AMEX FHR benefits. I will flat out dispute the $75 additional charge in addition to a $100 resort credit if I do not get my benefits. Honestly, this entire thing is frustrating.as I have spent about an hour and half to get to where I am.
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A $75 additional payment for two people to use a RC lounge sounds surprisingly cheap. |
Originally Posted by OUTraveling
(Post 30633939)
So far the RC representative has confirmed I am staying in a Club level room again, but has not stated if it was due to their gracious +$75 upgrade charge I was billed nor if my upgrade will negate the AMEX FHR benefits. I will flat out dispute the $75 additional charge in addition to a $100 resort credit if I do not get my benefits. Honestly, this entire thing is frustrating.as I have spent about an hour and half to get to where I am.
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Originally Posted by Zelucifer
(Post 30633979)
Again, why haven't you contacted FHR? They're essentially your travel agent in this instance.
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Originally Posted by OUTraveling
(Post 30633997)
I received the confirmation regarding my "downgraded" room from Ritz Carlton not AMEX. Such, I we to the source of the issue.
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Originally Posted by OUTraveling
(Post 30633997)
I received the confirmation regarding my "downgraded" room from Ritz Carlton not AMEX. Such, I we to the source of the issue.
For me, I'd just call FHR, tell them I booked a club level room at $X, and that you noticed on the RC website that they don't have you in a club level room. Then at checkin, ask them to add your MR number. |
Originally Posted by Zelucifer
(Post 30634006)
Right, but FHR not only made your booking, it also has significant sway. If there's an issue with your booking, they will be able to fix it. Hotel agents are much more likely to listen to them.
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Originally Posted by OUTraveling
(Post 30634060)
I did not think of that and just called the number listed on my email.
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Here AmEx PTS/CTS is functioning as your full service travel agent, in fact one focused on luxury type travel, although you might need to escalate to a supervisor for problem resolution. These folks are good at standing behind what they booked/sold and seem to know how to do it. Properties want to continue to particulate in FHR, so they're unlikely to ignore valid complaints. |
Just heard back from the Ritz Carlton at Rancho Mirage:
My rate will be the original that I booked and the AMEX FHR benefit will still apply. In addition, they are adding 10K points to my account for the hassle that I had to go through. All in all, I think this was a good response to a bad IT situation. |
Originally Posted by OUTraveling
(Post 30634236)
Just heard back from the Ritz Carlton at Rancho Mirage:
My rate will be the original that I booked and the AMEX FHR benefit will still apply. In addition, they are adding 10K points to my account for the hassle that I had to go through. All in all, I think this was a good response to a bad IT situation. |
Hopefully this or other problems will not repeat in the future, but the starting point is always your TA (whether it is formally an agent or not) and not, in this case the RC Rancho Mirage.
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Originally Posted by OUTraveling
(Post 30634236)
Just heard back from the Ritz Carlton at Rancho Mirage:
My rate will be the original that I booked and the AMEX FHR benefit will still apply. In addition, they are adding 10K points to my account for the hassle that I had to go through. All in all, I think this was a good response to a bad IT situation. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 30633431)
As usual, FHR gives a one category upgrade at check in if available as well as daily continental breakfast and a guaranteed 4 pm checkout plus whatever special amenity the property offers. PTS/CTS phone agents should be able to tell you whether the one category upgrade at the property includes upgrades to club level rooms, but when I've booked FHR rates at RCs, the answer to this has been no.
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Originally Posted by OUTraveling
(Post 30634236)
Just heard back from the Ritz Carlton at Rancho Mirage:
My rate will be the original that I booked and the AMEX FHR benefit will still apply. In addition, they are adding 10K points to my account for the hassle that I had to go through. All in all, I think this was a good response to a bad IT situation. |
Originally Posted by hockeyinsider
(Post 30634700)
I would not let them get away with blaming IT. Yes, Marriott's IT has sucked but it is way too easy to use this excuse these days. It's quite possible they were playing games.
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Originally Posted by hockeyinsider
(Post 30634685)
I would be pretty made if Ritz-Carlton was giving better perks to guests booking through American Express Fine Hotels & Resorts.
This was certainly true before SPG started offering breakfast to Plats. There's also the special amenity attached to FHR bookings, but OTOH FHR rates are closer to rack and the upgrade benefit officially is one category. (The propety can voluntarily do more, and I've even gotten some nice suites, but officially if one category up is sold out but there are lots of rooms available in the next category, the property isn't obligated to give you the two category upgrade.) |
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