Last edit by: BobbySteel
Current Status of the Grandfathering Sweep to Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite / Lifetime Titanium Elite
As of 1/26 Members are reporting a SWEEP HAS OCCURRED LTPPE/LTitaniumE. Some have reported discrepancies between app and website still.
A sweep has also occurred of LTP qualifying from previous LTG on legacy rules.
Request: Please DO NOT post asking if the above has occurred or advising all of us that nothing has changed. Please continue reading this wiki for updates.
If you have legitimately been swept and your website account shows that you have truly been grandfathered to Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite, then yes please do add a post with this information with useful details for others and this wiki will then be updated accordingly with your information.
As of 1/26 Members are reporting a SWEEP HAS OCCURRED LTPPE/LTitaniumE. Some have reported discrepancies between app and website still.
A sweep has also occurred of LTP qualifying from previous LTG on legacy rules.
Request: Please DO NOT post asking if the above has occurred or advising all of us that nothing has changed. Please continue reading this wiki for updates.
If you have legitimately been swept and your website account shows that you have truly been grandfathered to Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite, then yes please do add a post with this information with useful details for others and this wiki will then be updated accordingly with your information.
Does anyone know when the sweep for LTPP will be happening?
#182
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Toronto
Programs: UA 1K, AC MM E75, Marriott LT Ti, IHG Dia Amb, Hyatt Glob
Posts: 15,520
Can we let this thread go dormant until the sweep actually happens? How many people do we need to report that nothing’s changed?
#183
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: YVR
Programs: AC SE 2MM; UA MP Premier Silver; Marriott Bonvoy LT Titanium Elite; Radisson; Avis PC
Posts: 35,255
I added a wiki to display the overall grandfathering sweep "STATE OF THE NATION".
Hopefully that will do the trick.
If the Lurkers wish to take the wiki over, then by all means.
#185
Original Member
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Highland PArk,IL,USA -- AA Lifetime Platinum, IHG Plat, UA Silver, Hilton Gold, Radisson Gold, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 2,366
Just was wondering if anyone knew answer to my question.
#186
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: YYZ
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, AC Elite, Airmiles Gold, Hertz Gold Plus Rewards
Posts: 785
Officially nothing else at this point. But with the rumours of a new Tier ("Titanium, Palladium, etc.) rolling out one may expect additional benefits. They may be rolled out in stages over time to keep novelty factor in play.
#187
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2001
Location: MSY; 2-time FT Fantasy Football Champ, now in recovery.
Programs: AA lifetime GLD; UA Silver; Marriott LTTE; IHG Plat,
Posts: 14,518
It won't matter to you as a 1K, but Plat Premier (including lifetime) offers UA Silver status as long as that partnership lasts.
#189
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: MIA, VIE and DPS
Programs: DL Plat 1MM, AA EXP 3MM, SQ Krisflyer Gold, UA Silver, Marriott LTT, HH Gold
Posts: 1,132
Your guess is as bad as mine. Can obviously go either way. And to pay justice to the almost 200 posts and the title of this post: Nobody knows when or if a sweep is coming. I certainly wouldn’t count on it happening in January 2019.
#190
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: SPG, Hyatt GP, UA 1K, WN RR
Posts: 7
While we're all waiting for something to happen, curious if anyone has any insight, projections, or guesses on estimated total number of LTP and/or LTPP members in MR/SPG/RC/Bonvoy?
Tens of thousands? 100k+? 1m+? At the time of merger, they announced 75m total members (54 MR / 21 SPG) and there is some degree of overlap between the two.
Tens of thousands? 100k+? 1m+? At the time of merger, they announced 75m total members (54 MR / 21 SPG) and there is some degree of overlap between the two.
#191
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,399
While we're all waiting for something to happen, curious if anyone has any insight, projections, or guesses on estimated total number of LTP and/or LTPP members in MR/SPG/RC/Bonvoy?
Tens of thousands? 100k+? 1m+? At the time of merger, they announced 75m total members (54 MR / 21 SPG) and there is some degree of overlap between the two.
Tens of thousands? 100k+? 1m+? At the time of merger, they announced 75m total members (54 MR / 21 SPG) and there is some degree of overlap between the two.
Recently I saw a claim of 120,000,000 total members, which would be more than major legacy airlines. [For instance, DL SkyMiles had about 80,000,000 members at any status level (including no status and presumably including dormant accounts) shortly after the merger with NW, and certainly hasn't grown by 50% in the few following years. At that time, there were supposedly 2,000,000 total elites of all levels, and the new top DM tier (new at that time) supposedly started with 40,000 people (and there are claims that the number of DMs has doubled in about eight or ten years) where the target was 2% of elites, which of course is very different from the old legacy MR rule of PPs being the top 2% of Plats.] So I don't believe that 120m could be correct, but if we take 75m (BTW, what about the RC loyalty program? Are those people included in the MR numbers?) and then reduce it to account for people who participated in both programs, we might get 40m to 60m unique individuals with accounts. Using the DL ratios (which reflect some loyalty science views about what fraction of members should be targeted for recognition as elites), we might get a range of 1m to 2m elites of all levels (including lifetime status), where most of these elites are in lower tiers. Two percent gets us to maybe 20,000-40,000 people, which would seem to be an enormous number to cover with Ambassadors, but might be a reasonable target for PP, although if we then say that PPwithAMB is 2% of PP, the number becomes much too small to be credible, although OTOH a large fraction of PPs would cluster just over the requirement with 75-80 nights per year. Of course, I realize that hotels and airlines are different, but the common claim that 20% of customers are responsible for 80% of profits is claimed to be a rough rule that holds over a very wide range of businesses.
Hyatt seems to have a much smaller number of My Hyatt Concierges, with many of them working part time. I have some sense of those numbers and in fact once estimated the total number of Hyatt Globs in the USA/NorthAmerica, but I don't know whether it's known how many participants there were/are in HGP/WOH.
Hyatt seems to have a much smaller number of My Hyatt Concierges, with many of them working part time. I have some sense of those numbers and in fact once estimated the total number of Hyatt Globs in the USA/NorthAmerica, but I don't know whether it's known how many participants there were/are in HGP/WOH.
#192
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Nashville
Programs: DL DM 3 MM AA PLAT HH Lifetime Diamond Marriott Plat AMB lifetime titanium Hertz PC
Posts: 6,187
Two percent gets us to maybe 20,000-40,000 people, which would seem to be an enormous number to cover with Ambassadors, but might be a reasonable target for PP, although if we then say that PPwithAMB is 2% of PP, the number becomes much too small to be credible, although OTOH a large fraction of PPs would cluster just over the requirement with 75-80 nights per year. Of course, I realize that hotels and airlines are different, but the common claim that 20% of customers are responsible for 80% of profits is claimed to be a rough rule that holds over a very wide range of businesses.
#193
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,399
I have never asked but what is the ratio of People per Ambassador. I could see it being 500 to a 1K. Yes that is a very big number, but doable As I rarely call and ask for anything. Even then it is an email for a stay not posting etc. I have always thought it sounds a lot better then it is, they are not actively monitoring my account 90 % of my travel is booked through our corporate travel so their is no interaction with my ambassador and assume your typical road warrior is similar. All the nice things they can do sound nice but are for a vacation once a year, not work related.
Someone here suggested that full time SPG Ambassadors used to have somewhat less than about 150 clients assigned, but the numbers have roughly doubled since the merger. I have no idea whether these numbers are even approximately accurate.
#194
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Programs: MB-LTT , HH-Diam., HGP-Expl.
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#195
Join Date: May 2005
Location: FL
Programs: DL/PM SM/AMEX/Plat HH/Gold Marriott/Plat Starwood/Plat
Posts: 140
I am 760 nights / 10 years LTP as per my current profile. But if I go thru this link (from the insiders site). It show I am a LTPP.
https://choice-benefit.marriott.com/...rriott-rewards.
Note: another user who confirmed he will not be a LTPP also shows up as LTPP so may be a fluke.
https://choice-benefit.marriott.com/...rriott-rewards.
Note: another user who confirmed he will not be a LTPP also shows up as LTPP so may be a fluke.