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Need additional nights to maintain status

Old Aug 8, 20, 7:36 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee View Post
I wouldn't call it "a violation"; it just won't work, b/c per the T&C, you have to "personally stay" at the hotel for the night to qualify towards status. Here's the specific provision (2.1.d.):
OP wants to obtain the next status tier and is short a dozen nights, asked for the cheapest option (even at great distance or in another state), required online check-in, and didn't plan to stay. The T&C require that the guest "stays" to earn EQN. OP didn't plan to stay and was looking to farm nights without being present for even check-in. OP is attempting to earn EQN without the "stay" part of the T&C, which by any reasonable definition is a violation (fails to abide by in good faith) as the T&C require the "stay" portion.

There is plenty of talk of how Marriott devalues the Bonvoy program but what about when members devalue the program?
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Old Aug 8, 20, 10:03 am
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Originally Posted by damnyourefine View Post
OP wants to obtain the next status tier and is short a dozen nights, asked for the cheapest option (even at great distance or in another state), required online check-in, and didn't plan to stay. The T&C require that the guest "stays" to earn EQN. OP didn't plan to stay and was looking to farm nights without being present for even check-in. OP is attempting to earn EQN without the "stay" part of the T&C, which by any reasonable definition is a violation (fails to abide by in good faith) as the T&C require the "stay" portion.

There is plenty of talk of how Marriott devalues the Bonvoy program but what about when members devalue the program?
The quoted provision simply defines Marriott's obligation to grant stay credit. So by definition, the guest can't "violate" that provision, the guest just fails to meet the criteria triggering Marriott's obligation to provide stay credit.

People no show all the time and for all kinds of reasons. That does not mean they "violate" T&C 2.1.d. each time they no show. They simply are not entitled to stay credit since they didn't personally stay in the room.
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Old Aug 8, 20, 10:55 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee View Post
The quoted provision simply defines Marriott's obligation to grant stay credit. So by definition, the guest can't "violate" that provision, the guest just fails to meet the criteria triggering Marriott's obligation to provide stay credit.

People no show all the time and for all kinds of reasons. That does not mean they "violate" T&C 2.1.d. each time they no show. They simply are not entitled to stay credit since they didn't personally stay in the room.
The intent is key. The guest is attempting to receive stay credit without meeting the provision of the contract of the program between the company Marriott and the individual the guest.

Agree to disagree.
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Old Aug 8, 20, 9:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee View Post
I don't see any comment by OP supporting that conclusion.
The hotel doesn't care how long you stay, but the rules require that the guest be personally present. Even with online check-in and digital key, the hotel will know if the door was opened. And in my experience, this rule is enforced pretty consistently. Hotels don't want to give points if they don't have to.
The thread is quite old, so it's hard to know for sure what OP intents were. He/she may or may not be willing to check in at all, but I don't see any comments contradicting his/her intent to check in either.

It's good to follow the rules, but how about ethics? When people got their 100 nights by setting up 10 meetings and paying $1000, they obeyed the rules but devalued the program too. Should they all give up on their lifetime statuses now?
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Old Aug 8, 20, 10:32 pm
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Sorry, our reference was to the individual who resurrected the thread on August 4th, not the thread starter OP. It was clear.

As long as people legitimately earned their status or LT status, such as through meetings I don’t see why the meetings shouldn’t count. Though, there were many people not actually holding meetings and still receiving credit which I agree is an ethical gray area.

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