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Old Oct 21, 18, 7:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Voodoo Daddy View Post
That is obnoxious. I can assure you that in such cases, I would simply reduce my tip by 3 percentage points.
Yeah, I'd be inclined to agree. I also don't really see the point of it. If you just included it in the price, the extra 3% in meal costs on the menu is barely going to be noticeable. What is the point of adding is a separate charge onto the check. Do they think it makes them look good for paying for their staff's health insurance? I think it makes them look a bit tacky so opposite effect. I have seen it at 3-4 places now.
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Old Oct 21, 18, 8:41 pm
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In some places separating out a tax is a way for the restaurant to complain about it. Like "your tab is 3% higher because of this tax", as in, complain about it to city hall and maybe they'll drop the tax. It's pure BS, but I saw it a few times when ACA requirements were kicking in and restaurants had to start providing medical insurance.
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Old Oct 21, 18, 9:09 pm
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I've not seen this at any Marriott lounges, so not sure it's widespread.

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Perhaps with your travel pattern, but not mine.

The JW Marriott Santa Fe, Mexico City sure does and the Marriott Reforma Mexico City also tries.

If the staff really make an effort, then I would leave at cash token of my appreciation. Being handed a zero bill in a self-service lounge is tacky IMHO.
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Old Oct 21, 18, 9:16 pm
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If it's a zero bill and you tip 15-20%, that's zero. I'd be tempted to explicitly show that calculation on the thing I sign for them.
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Old Oct 21, 18, 10:03 pm
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The next time I drop a buck in the tip jar by the cash register at a local fast food place, I'll reconsider if I'll tip at a lounge. Seeing as I've never remotely considered dropping my change in a cash register tip jar, I don't anticipate it happening anytime soon.
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Old Oct 21, 18, 10:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Enigma368 View Post
Yeah, I'd be inclined to agree. I also don't really see the point of it. If you just included it in the price, the extra 3% in meal costs on the menu is barely going to be noticeable. What is the point of adding is a separate charge onto the check. Do they think it makes them look good for paying for their staff's health insurance? I think it makes them look a bit tacky so opposite effect. I have seen it at 3-4 places now.
do you think it makes you look good to micromanage your tip and deduct money from the waiter for things beyond his control?
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Old Oct 21, 18, 10:44 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
If it's a zero bill and you tip 15-20%, that's zero. I'd be tempted to explicitly show that calculation on the thing I sign for them.
"tempted to" implying that your actual action in this situation would be what?
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Old Oct 22, 18, 5:12 am
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Something else to consider is there are a growing number of hotels who now levy a non negotiable 'service charge' for service. So effectively we are paying once for the hotel where we can reasonably expect the hotel's service included in the base rate, twice when they add the compulsory service charge at the booking stage and a third time again with tips when you get to the hotel. That's three times you have paid for the same item.
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Originally Posted by Lizie View Post
Something else to consider is there are a growing number of hotels who now levy a non negotiable 'service charge' for service. So effectively we are paying once for the hotel where we can reasonably expect the hotel's service included in the base rate, twice when they add the compulsory service charge at the booking stage and a third time again with tips when you get to the hotel. That's three times you have paid for the same item.
Mandatory service charge = tip. No additional tipping required.
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Old Oct 22, 18, 8:54 am
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THere's absolutely no guarantee that a mandatory service charge goes to the waitstaff/service employee. Unless it's clearly labeled as a gratuity, I would assume that it does NOT go to the service staff until told otherwise.
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THere's absolutely no guarantee that a mandatory service charge goes to the waitstaff/service employee. Unless it's clearly labeled as a gratuity, I would assume that it does NOT go to the service staff until told otherwise.
You are correct, however this doesn’t change my action. If I see “service” anything as a line item, I consider that my payment for the service, in lieu of a tip. I don’t care where my payment goes - I only care that I have paid it.
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You are correct, however this doesn’t change my action. If I see “service” anything as a line item, I consider that my payment for the service, in lieu of a tip. I don’t care where my payment goes - I only care that I have paid it.
I agree and I would add that how the service fee is used is an internal decision by management. If employees aren't getting money from the service fee, that is a matter between the employee and employer.
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so if you KNEW that it wasn't a tip, you still wouldn't leave a tip? In other words, you guys are just a bunch of cheapskates looking for an excuse to stiff someone.
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Old Oct 22, 18, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by supatight80 View Post
I mean is there a line for service charge and another line for gratuity too in restaurant bills in the USA?

Ex. Food - 100$
Service charge - 15$
Tax - 10$
Total: 125$
Tips: __________
I had dinner at a Renaissance restaurant recently, where there was both an included 20% service charge and a tip line. However, the bartender made a pointed remark that the service charge was included, as a hint that he would be perfectly fine if I zeroed out the tip line. I am more annoyed that the service charge is charged tax this way!
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Old Oct 23, 18, 11:51 am
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Originally Posted by pvn View Post
THere's absolutely no guarantee that a mandatory service charge goes to the waitstaff/service employee. Unless it's clearly labeled as a gratuity, I would assume that it does NOT go to the service staff until told otherwise.
not my problem

I always put [tip] in parenth beside that line item

problem solved at least for me

the staff can take it up with mgt if they want too

although I do think there should be a disclosure what this fee is for prior to ordering [whether on the menu, on the wall, somewhere]
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