Cash + Points General Discussion Thread
Feb 23, 2019, 3:50 pm
#31
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Yes they did with SPG. I always encouraged people to create their own C&P by booking a reward night + a revenue night if you really need a C&P booking. In the olden days, the ones offered by SPG used to be excellent, but they enhanced them about 4 years ago, and they've been almost worthless since. Since they were further enhanced by Marriott, there is no way I would ever consider a C&P booking. Luckily, they are rarely offered.
Feb 23, 2019, 3:58 pm
#32
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I remember having a (pre-8/18) stay where I used a cert for one night and paid cash for the rest of the stay, and did receive points for the cash nights. The cert and cash nights were under 2 separate reservations.
You did forget to factor in one thing: if you reserve 4 nights on points, you're eligible to get a 5th night free. So those 70,000 points could get you 5 nights rather than 4 - and conversely, if you can't / don't want to stay a 5th night, it's a waste of points if you can use them later for a 5-night stay.
You did forget to factor in one thing: if you reserve 4 nights on points, you're eligible to get a 5th night free. So those 70,000 points could get you 5 nights rather than 4 - and conversely, if you can't / don't want to stay a 5th night, it's a waste of points if you can use them later for a 5-night stay.
Feb 24, 2019, 5:02 pm
#33
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I'm just using the 4 nights as an example for my question. In your case, you used 2 separate reservation. My whole point of my question was if that reservation was only 1 reservation instead of 2. The reservation with 1 award night and the rest of the reservation was cash, would you still get points? By Marriott FAQ, it states Cash + Point earn no points for the cash portion of the reservation but is it counting only the real Cash + Point such as $70 + 8000 points for 1 night or does it include the first night award, and 2nd night cash? Both situation is consider Cash + Point.
It doesn't make sense they would give no points for the full cash night unless you book separate reservation for each night. In the example of the case of cash, award, cash, award, you would need to create 4 reservations to get points for 2 nights.
margarita girl kinda answered it for SPG but with her statement about the C&P being worthless and not offered(The cash or points option is always offered so I don't think she understand what I was asking), I think she is talking about the $70 + 8000 point situation for one night instead of the situation I'm asking about $50 for 1 night and 17,000 points for 2nd night.
I'm sorry if I'm not being clear, its just I'm confused about this question and don't want to waste extra cash or points or create 5 reservations just to get points for the nights I actually paid when I can create only 2-3 reservations.
I remember having a (pre-8/18) stay where I used a cert for one night and paid cash for the rest of the stay, and did receive points for the cash nights. The cert and cash nights were under 2 separate reservations.
You did forget to factor in one thing: if you reserve 4 nights on points, you're eligible to get a 5th night free. So those 70,000 points could get you 5 nights rather than 4 - and conversely, if you can't / don't want to stay a 5th night, it's a waste of points if you can use them later for a 5-night stay.
You did forget to factor in one thing: if you reserve 4 nights on points, you're eligible to get a 5th night free. So those 70,000 points could get you 5 nights rather than 4 - and conversely, if you can't / don't want to stay a 5th night, it's a waste of points if you can use them later for a 5-night stay.
It doesn't make sense they would give no points for the full cash night unless you book separate reservation for each night. In the example of the case of cash, award, cash, award, you would need to create 4 reservations to get points for 2 nights.
margarita girl kinda answered it for SPG but with her statement about the C&P being worthless and not offered(The cash or points option is always offered so I don't think she understand what I was asking), I think she is talking about the $70 + 8000 point situation for one night instead of the situation I'm asking about $50 for 1 night and 17,000 points for 2nd night.
Yes they did with SPG. I always encouraged people to create their own C&P by booking a reward night + a revenue night if you really need a C&P booking. In the olden days, the ones offered by SPG used to be excellent, but they enhanced them about 4 years ago, and they've been almost worthless since. Since they were further enhanced by Marriott, there is no way I would ever consider a C&P booking. Luckily, they are rarely offered.
Mar 7, 2019, 9:08 am
#34
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Does Cash and points still exist?
Does Cash + Points still exist like it did at SPG? If so, how do I find it? I see how to "combine" cash and points when booking, but that is only paying full rates for one or the other. But nothing like what SPG used to have.
Mar 7, 2019, 9:21 am
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It's a property prerogative so don't expect it everywhere.
Mar 7, 2019, 9:26 am
#36
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I haven’t actually called to try to book since Marriott CS is so painful to deal with on the phone.
https://www.marriott.com/loyalty/red...cash-points.mi
Just another example of Marriott’s complete ignorance and treatment of its members. Let’s advertise the feature, post a link to how it works but not let anyone actually be able to book it.
Last edited by Bigshaker; Mar 7, 2019 at 9:29 am Reason: Typo
Mar 7, 2019, 10:45 am
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There is a web site page but you can’t actually book a cash and points rate using the web site or the app. At least I haven’t figured out how to book a cash and points stay yet this year. I tried random different hotels, different cities, really offpeak days with rates under $100 no luck at all.
I haven’t actually called to try to book since Marriott CS is so painful to deal with on the phone.
https://www.marriott.com/loyalty/red...cash-points.mi
Just another example of Marriott’s complete ignorance and treatment of its members. Let’s advertise the feature, post a link to how it works but not let anyone actually be able to book it.
I'm wondering if IT is trying to be as difficult as CS to win a big trophy at the end of the year?
Mar 7, 2019, 11:06 am
#39
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Wow. I had no idea bonvoy limited C&P to practically nothing. The bottom of that page lists only 6 participating US properties and 10 ex-US.
Florida
Orlando World Center Marriott
- February 18 - March 29, 2019
Louisiana
Le Méridien New Orleans
- February 7, 10-14, 18-22, 24-28, 2019
- March 6-14, 18-21, 25-28, 2019
- March 31 - April 4, 2019
North Carolina
Marriott at Research Triangle Park
- January 10 - December 31, 2019
Pennsylvania
Fairfield Inn & Suites Harrisburg West
- January 8 - May 31, 2019
Tennessee
Four Points by Sheraton Nashville Airport
- February 4 - April 1, 2019
Fairfield Inn & Suites Clarksville
- February 4 - April 1, 2019
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Residence Inn Sarajevo
- January 8 - March 31, 2019
Canada
Four Points by Sheraton Moncton
- January 1 - June 30, 2019
- September 1 - December 31, 2019
Four Points by Sheraton Edmundston
- December 1 - March 31, 2019
Delta Hotels by Marriott Banff Royal Canadian Lodge
- February 3-7, 10-14, 17-21, 24-28, 2019
- March 3-7, 10-14, 17-21, 24-28, 31, 2019
- April 1-4, 7-11, 14-18, 21-25, 28-30, 2019
- May 1-2, 5-9, 12-16, 2019
China
Shanghai Marriott Hotel City Centre
- February 11 - March 4, 2019
Costa Rica
W Costa Rica - Reserva Conchal
- January 17 - November 30, 2019
Indonesia
The Ritz-Carlton, Bali
- January 18 - December 31, 2019
Malaysia
Kota Kinabalu Marriott Hotel
- February 18 - June 30, 2019
Portugal
Praia D'El Rey Marriott Golf & Beach Resort
- January 1 - February 28, 2019
UK
Great Northern Hotel, a Tribute Portfolio Hotel, London
- January 11 - December 31, 2019
Florida
Orlando World Center Marriott
- February 18 - March 29, 2019
Louisiana
Le Méridien New Orleans
- February 7, 10-14, 18-22, 24-28, 2019
- March 6-14, 18-21, 25-28, 2019
- March 31 - April 4, 2019
North Carolina
Marriott at Research Triangle Park
- January 10 - December 31, 2019
Pennsylvania
Fairfield Inn & Suites Harrisburg West
- January 8 - May 31, 2019
Tennessee
Four Points by Sheraton Nashville Airport
- February 4 - April 1, 2019
Fairfield Inn & Suites Clarksville
- February 4 - April 1, 2019
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Residence Inn Sarajevo
- January 8 - March 31, 2019
Canada
Four Points by Sheraton Moncton
- January 1 - June 30, 2019
- September 1 - December 31, 2019
Four Points by Sheraton Edmundston
- December 1 - March 31, 2019
Delta Hotels by Marriott Banff Royal Canadian Lodge
- February 3-7, 10-14, 17-21, 24-28, 2019
- March 3-7, 10-14, 17-21, 24-28, 31, 2019
- April 1-4, 7-11, 14-18, 21-25, 28-30, 2019
- May 1-2, 5-9, 12-16, 2019
China
Shanghai Marriott Hotel City Centre
- February 11 - March 4, 2019
Costa Rica
W Costa Rica - Reserva Conchal
- January 17 - November 30, 2019
Indonesia
The Ritz-Carlton, Bali
- January 18 - December 31, 2019
Malaysia
Kota Kinabalu Marriott Hotel
- February 18 - June 30, 2019
Portugal
Praia D'El Rey Marriott Golf & Beach Resort
- January 1 - February 28, 2019
UK
Great Northern Hotel, a Tribute Portfolio Hotel, London
- January 11 - December 31, 2019
Mar 8, 2019, 12:50 pm
#40
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Wow I didn’t see that section of hotels with available dates, thanks for pointing that out.
That is truley beyond pathetic. So out of 7354 Marriott hotels worldwide 16 are available for the new cash and points bookings (old style SPG cash and points formula).
I also noticed this gem of fine print on the cash and points link.
“The Cash + Points structure is subject to modification, cancellation or limitation at the discretion of Marriott Bonvoy with or without notice”
Marriott just treats its members like...you know what. Why even claim to have a new cash and points program when it’s barely even a measurable fraction of hotels you can book at.
I’m just completey floored by this. A new low for Marriott and their Bonvoy Program.
Wow. I had no idea bonvoy limited C&P to practically nothing. The bottom of that page lists only 6 participating US properties and 10 ex-US.
Florida
Orlando World Center Marriott
- February 18 - March 29, 2019
Louisiana
Le Méridien New Orleans
- February 7, 10-14, 18-22, 24-28, 2019
- March 6-14, 18-21, 25-28, 2019
- March 31 - April 4, 2019
North Carolina
Marriott at Research Triangle Park
- January 10 - December 31, 2019
Pennsylvania
Fairfield Inn & Suites Harrisburg West
- January 8 - May 31, 2019
Tennessee
Four Points by Sheraton Nashville Airport
- February 4 - April 1, 2019
Fairfield Inn & Suites Clarksville
- February 4 - April 1, 2019
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Residence Inn Sarajevo
- January 8 - March 31, 2019
Canada
Four Points by Sheraton Moncton
- January 1 - June 30, 2019
- September 1 - December 31, 2019
Four Points by Sheraton Edmundston
- December 1 - March 31, 2019
Delta Hotels by Marriott Banff Royal Canadian Lodge
- February 3-7, 10-14, 17-21, 24-28, 2019
- March 3-7, 10-14, 17-21, 24-28, 31, 2019
- April 1-4, 7-11, 14-18, 21-25, 28-30, 2019
- May 1-2, 5-9, 12-16, 2019
China
Shanghai Marriott Hotel City Centre
- February 11 - March 4, 2019
Costa Rica
W Costa Rica - Reserva Conchal
- January 17 - November 30, 2019
Indonesia
The Ritz-Carlton, Bali
- January 18 - December 31, 2019
Malaysia
Kota Kinabalu Marriott Hotel
- February 18 - June 30, 2019
Portugal
Praia D'El Rey Marriott Golf & Beach Resort
- January 1 - February 28, 2019
UK
Great Northern Hotel, a Tribute Portfolio Hotel, London
- January 11 - December 31, 2019
Florida
Orlando World Center Marriott
- February 18 - March 29, 2019
Louisiana
Le Méridien New Orleans
- February 7, 10-14, 18-22, 24-28, 2019
- March 6-14, 18-21, 25-28, 2019
- March 31 - April 4, 2019
North Carolina
Marriott at Research Triangle Park
- January 10 - December 31, 2019
Pennsylvania
Fairfield Inn & Suites Harrisburg West
- January 8 - May 31, 2019
Tennessee
Four Points by Sheraton Nashville Airport
- February 4 - April 1, 2019
Fairfield Inn & Suites Clarksville
- February 4 - April 1, 2019
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Residence Inn Sarajevo
- January 8 - March 31, 2019
Canada
Four Points by Sheraton Moncton
- January 1 - June 30, 2019
- September 1 - December 31, 2019
Four Points by Sheraton Edmundston
- December 1 - March 31, 2019
Delta Hotels by Marriott Banff Royal Canadian Lodge
- February 3-7, 10-14, 17-21, 24-28, 2019
- March 3-7, 10-14, 17-21, 24-28, 31, 2019
- April 1-4, 7-11, 14-18, 21-25, 28-30, 2019
- May 1-2, 5-9, 12-16, 2019
China
Shanghai Marriott Hotel City Centre
- February 11 - March 4, 2019
Costa Rica
W Costa Rica - Reserva Conchal
- January 17 - November 30, 2019
Indonesia
The Ritz-Carlton, Bali
- January 18 - December 31, 2019
Malaysia
Kota Kinabalu Marriott Hotel
- February 18 - June 30, 2019
Portugal
Praia D'El Rey Marriott Golf & Beach Resort
- January 1 - February 28, 2019
UK
Great Northern Hotel, a Tribute Portfolio Hotel, London
- January 11 - December 31, 2019
Wow I didn’t see that section of hotels with available dates, thanks for pointing that out.
That is truley beyond pathetic. So out of 7354 Marriott hotels worldwide 16 are available for the new cash and points bookings (old style SPG cash and points formula).
I also noticed this gem of fine print on the cash and points link.
“The Cash + Points structure is subject to modification, cancellation or limitation at the discretion of Marriott Bonvoy with or without notice”
Marriott just treats its members like...you know what. Why even claim to have a new cash and points program when it’s barely even a measurable fraction of hotels you can book at.
I’m just completey floored by this. A new low for Marriott and their Bonvoy Program.
Last edited by Bigshaker; Mar 8, 2019 at 12:51 pm Reason: Typo
Mar 8, 2019, 12:59 pm
#41
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Wow I didn’t see that section of hotels with available dates, thanks for pointing that out.
That is truley beyond pathetic. So out of 7354 Marriott hotels worldwide 16 are available for the new cash and points bookings (old style SPG cash and points formula).
I also noticed this gem of fine print on the cash and points link.
“The Cash + Points structure is subject to modification, cancellation or limitation at the discretion of Marriott Bonvoy with or without notice”
Marriott just treats its members like...you know what. Why even claim to have a new cash and points program when it’s barely even a measurable fraction of hotels you can book at.
I’m just completey floored by this. A new low for Marriott and their Bonvoy Program.
Wow I didn’t see that section of hotels with available dates, thanks for pointing that out.
That is truley beyond pathetic. So out of 7354 Marriott hotels worldwide 16 are available for the new cash and points bookings (old style SPG cash and points formula).
I also noticed this gem of fine print on the cash and points link.
“The Cash + Points structure is subject to modification, cancellation or limitation at the discretion of Marriott Bonvoy with or without notice”
Marriott just treats its members like...you know what. Why even claim to have a new cash and points program when it’s barely even a measurable fraction of hotels you can book at.
I’m just completey floored by this. A new low for Marriott and their Bonvoy Program.
Mar 8, 2019, 1:01 pm
#42
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That's not an exhaustive list of Cash & Points properties, though.
For example:
https://www.marriott.com/hotels/trav...esort-and-spa/
For example:
https://www.marriott.com/hotels/trav...esort-and-spa/
Mar 8, 2019, 1:16 pm
#43
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That's not an exhaustive list of Cash & Points properties, though.
For example:
https://www.marriott.com/hotels/trav...esort-and-spa/
For example:
https://www.marriott.com/hotels/trav...esort-and-spa/
Mar 8, 2019, 1:17 pm
#44
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Posts: 1,389
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't SPG offer cash and points at all (or almost all) of its properties before being bought out by Marriott ?
Mar 8, 2019, 3:31 pm
#45
Join Date: Jan 2017
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I can't find or figure out how to book via C&P despite the benefit list saying there still is C&P. I don't know if this is a avenued that has been Bonvoyed intentionally or a Bonvoyed technical glitch.
When will Oxford Dictionary include Bonvoyed: to be screwed, to reduce benefits.
Gosh, I need to figure out how to to include Bonvoyed into my next book. Crestfallen, Jack realized he had been Bonvoyed as he read the letter placed beside his bedstand. His fiancee left him and took all the jewelry... and the dog.
When will Oxford Dictionary include Bonvoyed: to be screwed, to reduce benefits.
Gosh, I need to figure out how to to include Bonvoyed into my next book. Crestfallen, Jack realized he had been Bonvoyed as he read the letter placed beside his bedstand. His fiancee left him and took all the jewelry... and the dog.