Sep 4, 2018, 3:50 pm
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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2018)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
When converting your legacy certificate to a new certificate your prior certificate is cancelled and your new certificate will (in most cases) have an expiration date that is 12 months from the date of issuance (today).
The codes for the New Category partial packages are:
5-night packages
NCx = new certificate category
QPxx = post-merger converted partial package
OCx = old certificate category
QLxx = post-merger converted partial package (only QL known so far is QL87 for NC7)
xx0T = initial package;
Pxx0 = partial package;
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MARRIOT UK: +44 20 7012 7312
For best practices on converting OC to NC, I’ve copied post # 1181 here. Thank you jameswes!
(Also, never use the word UPGRADE. You must say you want to CONVERT your certs.)
IMPORTANT! Possible Points Advance Implications of March 5 category changes: There’s a (potential) issue with the category changes and Points Advance reservations. Marriott included the following information when they emailed some of us about the upcoming changes: “Points Advance — Members who wish to book a points advance redemption under the current Marriott Rewards and SPG award chart are encouraged to order redemption certificates before March 5 to lock in the rate. On March 5, redemption bookings are subject to the new unified program award chart.” We’ve reached out to Marriott to confirm the practical implications of this verbiage, as it sounds like Points Advance reservations will revert to the new pricing if they don’t have certificates attached prior to March 5. To be on the safe side, if your hotel is increasing in category be sure your TP certificate is attached to the reservation before March 5.
Concerning use of TP for peak or off-peak, see post 2179:
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2018)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
When converting your legacy certificate to a new certificate your prior certificate is cancelled and your new certificate will (in most cases) have an expiration date that is 12 months from the date of issuance (today).
The codes for the New Category partial packages are:
5-night packages
- OC5=530T/P530 is now NC4 QP53
- OC6=570T/P570 is now NC4 QP53
- OC7=610T/P610 is now NC5 QP61 (refund value: 45K)
- OC8=650T/P650 is now NC5 QP?? (Refund value: 75k)
- OC9=690T/P690 is now NC6 QP69
- NC4 QP83 = OC5 830T/P830 (refund value: 45K)
- NC4 QP87 = OC6 870T/P870 (refund value: 75K)
- NC5 QP91 = OC7 910T/P910 (refund value: 105K)
- NC5 QP95 = OC8 950T/P950 (refund value: 135K)
- NC6 QP99 = OC9 990T/P990 (refund value: 165K)
- NC6 QP99 = OC Tier 1-3 L830 (refund value: 195K)
- NC7 QL87 = OC Tier 4-5 L870 (refund value: 315K)
- NC5 QP88 = OC7 P880 (refund value: 135K)
- NC5 QP92 = OC8 P920 (refund value: 165K)
NCx = new certificate category
QPxx = post-merger converted partial package
OCx = old certificate category
QLxx = post-merger converted partial package (only QL known so far is QL87 for NC7)
xx0T = initial package;
Pxx0 = partial package;
************************************************** *******
MARRIOT UK: +44 20 7012 7312
For best practices on converting OC to NC, I’ve copied post # 1181 here. Thank you jameswes!
(Also, never use the word UPGRADE. You must say you want to CONVERT your certs.)
New data point for the new year.
I've read/followed the majority of this thread and now that I have a plan for how to use the travel certificates I made it happen
Last July, I purchased two OC1-5 travel packages. I have an upcoming trip that I wanted to use the certificates to book two rooms at an NC5 hotel.
1) Verified that I had an extra 120,000 MR points in my account (2x60,000 to upgrade from NC4 to NC5)
2) Call the UK Marriott # in the wiki (+44 20 7012 7312). In total, the call took about 25 minutes.
3) Explain that I have a booking I wanted to make, and I wanted to Cancel my two 830T certificates and convert them to two QP91 certificates. I did need to be clear with the rep that I was going to be using additional points from my account to upgrade the certificate.
Canceling two 830T (OC1-5) added 90,000 points (2x45000) to my account
Ordering two QP91 (NC5) subtracted 210,000 points (2x105K) from my account
4) The rep said that their "specialist" wasn't in the office, but she would leave detailed notes and have him do it the next day
5) True to form, the next day (today), I got an emails saying that my old certificates were canceled and new certificates were ordered.
Email clearly states that 830T certs were canceled
Second email clearly states that QP91 certs were ordered and 210K points were redeemed
Email (and account) state that the expiration is one year from today
As typical, App is up-to-date, website doesn't show the updated information yet.
I've read/followed the majority of this thread and now that I have a plan for how to use the travel certificates I made it happen
Last July, I purchased two OC1-5 travel packages. I have an upcoming trip that I wanted to use the certificates to book two rooms at an NC5 hotel.
1) Verified that I had an extra 120,000 MR points in my account (2x60,000 to upgrade from NC4 to NC5)
2) Call the UK Marriott # in the wiki (+44 20 7012 7312). In total, the call took about 25 minutes.
3) Explain that I have a booking I wanted to make, and I wanted to Cancel my two 830T certificates and convert them to two QP91 certificates. I did need to be clear with the rep that I was going to be using additional points from my account to upgrade the certificate.
Canceling two 830T (OC1-5) added 90,000 points (2x45000) to my account
Ordering two QP91 (NC5) subtracted 210,000 points (2x105K) from my account
4) The rep said that their "specialist" wasn't in the office, but she would leave detailed notes and have him do it the next day
5) True to form, the next day (today), I got an emails saying that my old certificates were canceled and new certificates were ordered.
Email clearly states that 830T certs were canceled
Second email clearly states that QP91 certs were ordered and 210K points were redeemed
Email (and account) state that the expiration is one year from today
As typical, App is up-to-date, website doesn't show the updated information yet.
Concerning use of TP for peak or off-peak, see post 2179:
The new award redemption chart will not impact Travel Packages. After these changes go into effect, you'll be able to book a hotel within the category assigned to your Travel Package, regardless of whether the dates at the hotel are in off-peak, standard or peak rates.
Travel Package General Discussion Thread
Aug 15, 2019, 1:50 pm
#2177
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Most people consider this as positive. Because the peak upside is far important than the off-peak downside. The value diminishes very quickly in the lower category properties. Most of the people here do not even want to consider Cat-4 and lower. Cat-5 is just marginal.
Aug 15, 2019, 2:11 pm
#2178
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Programs: MB-LTT , HH-Diam., HGP-Expl.
Posts: 778
Is that confirmed anywhere by Marriott? Since TPs are priced at 1.5 times the number of airline miles plus 6 times the peak night points per night, I still believe that is the correct interpretation. I have seen a couple of comments by bloggers that state that TPs can be used for peak awards, but no validation by Marriott. I asked one of the Lurkers about this and although he or she answered another question that dealt with credit card award nights, my inquiry did not receive a response. Since the Lurker could have answered with a simple yes or no and didn't do so, I would be reluctant to state unequivocally that TPs can be used during peak periods even though I believe that is likely to be the case.
Last edited by rny321; Aug 15, 2019 at 2:30 pm
Aug 15, 2019, 2:48 pm
#2179
Company Representative, Marriott Bonvoy
Join Date: Feb 2019
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy
Posts: 690
Is that confirmed anywhere by Marriott? Since TPs are priced at 1.5 times the number of airline miles plus 6 times the peak night points per night, I still believe that is the correct interpretation. I have seen a couple of comments by bloggers that state that TPs can be used for peak awards, but no validation by Marriott. I asked one of the Lurkers about this and although he or she answered another question that dealt with credit card award nights, my inquiry did not receive a response. Since the Lurker could have answered with a simple yes or no and didn't do so, I would be reluctant to state unequivocally that TPs can be used during peak periods even though I believe that is likely to be the case.
The new award redemption chart will not impact Travel Packages. After these changes go into effect, you'll be able to book a hotel within the category assigned to your Travel Package, regardless of whether the dates at the hotel are in off-peak, standard or peak rates.
Aug 15, 2019, 2:50 pm
#2180
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Programs: MB-LTT , HH-Diam., HGP-Expl.
Posts: 778
Hello rny321,
The new award redemption chart will not impact Travel Packages. After these changes go into effect, you'll be able to book a hotel within the category assigned to your Travel Package, regardless of whether the dates at the hotel are in off-peak, standard or peak rates.
The new award redemption chart will not impact Travel Packages. After these changes go into effect, you'll be able to book a hotel within the category assigned to your Travel Package, regardless of whether the dates at the hotel are in off-peak, standard or peak rates.
One more issue that has been debated here is whether or not certificates can be extended for an additional year. Until roughly this time last year, certificates could be extended for one year and possibly a second year if one had an existing reservation.
Last edited by rny321; Aug 15, 2019 at 3:14 pm
Aug 15, 2019, 5:25 pm
#2181
Join Date: May 2000
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 883
Have 1 OC5 and 1 OC6 and just called to convert. Told the associate I want to convert P870 to QP91 with 30K points. Was put on hold for 5 mins and then was told they have very straight guildlines that he can only convert OC6 to NC4 + 30K refund. Well nothing I can do so I told him to go ahead. After that, I told him to convert my other OC5 to NC4. To my surprise, he said I can only convert one cert per call and I have to hang up and call back later. Crazy...
Aug 15, 2019, 6:23 pm
#2182
Join Date: May 2000
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 883
Wow, 1/2 hour later I received an email that one of my NC4 was cancelled. Called and got it back, took 30 mins. Don't know why but this is crazy.
Aug 15, 2019, 6:29 pm
#2183
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
I was actually hoping they would lose it so I could call in and get it reinstated for another year. Alas, it went right back to my account.
Aug 15, 2019, 11:04 pm
#2185
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 625
We had a NC not go back into my wife's account when I cancelled a reservation on Tuesday without detaching it. I am holding off for another 2 weeks to call as I do want it reinstated for the end of next summer!
Aug 16, 2019, 12:35 am
#2186
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,026
Just converted my last package OC7 910T to NC5
Direct conversion less than 5 mins
Direct conversion less than 5 mins
Aug 16, 2019, 7:55 am
#2187
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Programs: MB-LTT , HH-Diam., HGP-Expl.
Posts: 778
In order to have the longest possible time to use my certificates, I had extended them just before the transition. Rather than wait until tomorow, I converted my last one today.
Since whatever potential benefit of the new packages is negated by the stated policy that these certificates are no longer refundable, I doubt many members of FT will be buying them. Thanks to a Lurker, we now have official confirmation that we'll "be able to book a hotel within the category assigned to your Travel Package, regardless of whether the dates at the hotel are in off-peak, standard or peak rates.assigned to your Travel Package, regardless of whether the dates at the hotel are in off-peak, standard or peak rates." Once we know if these certificates can be extended like the old ones, there won't be much left to discuss or dispute in this part of the forum. Thank you to all who kept the Wiki updated and made useful contributions to the knowledge base here.
Since whatever potential benefit of the new packages is negated by the stated policy that these certificates are no longer refundable, I doubt many members of FT will be buying them. Thanks to a Lurker, we now have official confirmation that we'll "be able to book a hotel within the category assigned to your Travel Package, regardless of whether the dates at the hotel are in off-peak, standard or peak rates.assigned to your Travel Package, regardless of whether the dates at the hotel are in off-peak, standard or peak rates." Once we know if these certificates can be extended like the old ones, there won't be much left to discuss or dispute in this part of the forum. Thank you to all who kept the Wiki updated and made useful contributions to the knowledge base here.
Aug 16, 2019, 9:37 am
#2188
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Join Date: Jul 2002
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I always used my hotel portion, so the refund rules never mattered to me. But it was a great value for 120k miles, and you always knew you could upgrade your OC5 to whatever you wanted once you picked an actual hotel. (And extend it a year, of course.)
Between the devaluation and loss of flexibility, the value simply isn't there anymore. I usually don't really want 7 nights anyway - 5 is closer to my typical need.
The loss of flexibility just seems like an unnecessary kick in the teeth. I don't see how Marriott loses by letting people upgrade their certificates.
Aug 16, 2019, 10:21 am
#2189
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Add in the fact that the overall devaluation of TP's has eliminated the big uptick in value (vs a 5-night award) you got by holding your Marriott points to the 120,000-mile levels.
I always used my hotel portion, so the refund rules never mattered to me. But it was a great value for 120k miles, and you always knew you could upgrade your OC5 to whatever you wanted once you picked an actual hotel. (And extend it a year, of course.)
Between the devaluation and loss of flexibility, the value simply isn't there anymore. I usually don't really want 7 nights anyway - 5 is closer to my typical need.
The loss of flexibility just seems like an unnecessary kick in the teeth. I don't see how Marriott loses by letting people upgrade their certificates.
I always used my hotel portion, so the refund rules never mattered to me. But it was a great value for 120k miles, and you always knew you could upgrade your OC5 to whatever you wanted once you picked an actual hotel. (And extend it a year, of course.)
Between the devaluation and loss of flexibility, the value simply isn't there anymore. I usually don't really want 7 nights anyway - 5 is closer to my typical need.
The loss of flexibility just seems like an unnecessary kick in the teeth. I don't see how Marriott loses by letting people upgrade their certificates.
Aug 16, 2019, 10:25 am
#2190
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: New Orleans, LA
Programs: AA Platinum, SPG Gold, Marriott Gold, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 272
Add in the fact that the overall devaluation of TP's has eliminated the big uptick in value (vs a 5-night award) you got by holding your Marriott points to the 120,000-mile levels.
I always used my hotel portion, so the refund rules never mattered to me. But it was a great value for 120k miles, and you always knew you could upgrade your OC5 to whatever you wanted once you picked an actual hotel. (And extend it a year, of course.)
Between the devaluation and loss of flexibility, the value simply isn't there anymore. I usually don't really want 7 nights anyway - 5 is closer to my typical need.
The loss of flexibility just seems like an unnecessary kick in the teeth. I don't see how Marriott loses by letting people upgrade their certificates.
I always used my hotel portion, so the refund rules never mattered to me. But it was a great value for 120k miles, and you always knew you could upgrade your OC5 to whatever you wanted once you picked an actual hotel. (And extend it a year, of course.)
Between the devaluation and loss of flexibility, the value simply isn't there anymore. I usually don't really want 7 nights anyway - 5 is closer to my typical need.
The loss of flexibility just seems like an unnecessary kick in the teeth. I don't see how Marriott loses by letting people upgrade their certificates.