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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2018)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
When converting your legacy certificate to a new certificate your prior certificate is cancelled and your new certificate will (in most cases) have an expiration date that is 12 months from the date of issuance (today).
The codes for the New Category partial packages are:
5-night packages
NCx = new certificate category
QPxx = post-merger converted partial package
OCx = old certificate category
QLxx = post-merger converted partial package (only QL known so far is QL87 for NC7)
xx0T = initial package;
Pxx0 = partial package;
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MARRIOT UK: +44 20 7012 7312
For best practices on converting OC to NC, I’ve copied post # 1181 here. Thank you jameswes!
(Also, never use the word UPGRADE. You must say you want to CONVERT your certs.)
IMPORTANT! Possible Points Advance Implications of March 5 category changes: There’s a (potential) issue with the category changes and Points Advance reservations. Marriott included the following information when they emailed some of us about the upcoming changes: “Points Advance — Members who wish to book a points advance redemption under the current Marriott Rewards and SPG award chart are encouraged to order redemption certificates before March 5 to lock in the rate. On March 5, redemption bookings are subject to the new unified program award chart.” We’ve reached out to Marriott to confirm the practical implications of this verbiage, as it sounds like Points Advance reservations will revert to the new pricing if they don’t have certificates attached prior to March 5. To be on the safe side, if your hotel is increasing in category be sure your TP certificate is attached to the reservation before March 5.
Concerning use of TP for peak or off-peak, see post 2179:
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2018)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
When converting your legacy certificate to a new certificate your prior certificate is cancelled and your new certificate will (in most cases) have an expiration date that is 12 months from the date of issuance (today).
The codes for the New Category partial packages are:
5-night packages
- OC5=530T/P530 is now NC4 QP53
- OC6=570T/P570 is now NC4 QP53
- OC7=610T/P610 is now NC5 QP61 (refund value: 45K)
- OC8=650T/P650 is now NC5 QP?? (Refund value: 75k)
- OC9=690T/P690 is now NC6 QP69
- NC4 QP83 = OC5 830T/P830 (refund value: 45K)
- NC4 QP87 = OC6 870T/P870 (refund value: 75K)
- NC5 QP91 = OC7 910T/P910 (refund value: 105K)
- NC5 QP95 = OC8 950T/P950 (refund value: 135K)
- NC6 QP99 = OC9 990T/P990 (refund value: 165K)
- NC6 QP99 = OC Tier 1-3 L830 (refund value: 195K)
- NC7 QL87 = OC Tier 4-5 L870 (refund value: 315K)
- NC5 QP88 = OC7 P880 (refund value: 135K)
- NC5 QP92 = OC8 P920 (refund value: 165K)
NCx = new certificate category
QPxx = post-merger converted partial package
OCx = old certificate category
QLxx = post-merger converted partial package (only QL known so far is QL87 for NC7)
xx0T = initial package;
Pxx0 = partial package;
************************************************** *******
MARRIOT UK: +44 20 7012 7312
For best practices on converting OC to NC, I’ve copied post # 1181 here. Thank you jameswes!
(Also, never use the word UPGRADE. You must say you want to CONVERT your certs.)
New data point for the new year.
I've read/followed the majority of this thread and now that I have a plan for how to use the travel certificates I made it happen
Last July, I purchased two OC1-5 travel packages. I have an upcoming trip that I wanted to use the certificates to book two rooms at an NC5 hotel.
1) Verified that I had an extra 120,000 MR points in my account (2x60,000 to upgrade from NC4 to NC5)
2) Call the UK Marriott # in the wiki (+44 20 7012 7312). In total, the call took about 25 minutes.
3) Explain that I have a booking I wanted to make, and I wanted to Cancel my two 830T certificates and convert them to two QP91 certificates. I did need to be clear with the rep that I was going to be using additional points from my account to upgrade the certificate.
Canceling two 830T (OC1-5) added 90,000 points (2x45000) to my account
Ordering two QP91 (NC5) subtracted 210,000 points (2x105K) from my account
4) The rep said that their "specialist" wasn't in the office, but she would leave detailed notes and have him do it the next day
5) True to form, the next day (today), I got an emails saying that my old certificates were canceled and new certificates were ordered.
Email clearly states that 830T certs were canceled
Second email clearly states that QP91 certs were ordered and 210K points were redeemed
Email (and account) state that the expiration is one year from today
As typical, App is up-to-date, website doesn't show the updated information yet.
I've read/followed the majority of this thread and now that I have a plan for how to use the travel certificates I made it happen
Last July, I purchased two OC1-5 travel packages. I have an upcoming trip that I wanted to use the certificates to book two rooms at an NC5 hotel.
1) Verified that I had an extra 120,000 MR points in my account (2x60,000 to upgrade from NC4 to NC5)
2) Call the UK Marriott # in the wiki (+44 20 7012 7312). In total, the call took about 25 minutes.
3) Explain that I have a booking I wanted to make, and I wanted to Cancel my two 830T certificates and convert them to two QP91 certificates. I did need to be clear with the rep that I was going to be using additional points from my account to upgrade the certificate.
Canceling two 830T (OC1-5) added 90,000 points (2x45000) to my account
Ordering two QP91 (NC5) subtracted 210,000 points (2x105K) from my account
4) The rep said that their "specialist" wasn't in the office, but she would leave detailed notes and have him do it the next day
5) True to form, the next day (today), I got an emails saying that my old certificates were canceled and new certificates were ordered.
Email clearly states that 830T certs were canceled
Second email clearly states that QP91 certs were ordered and 210K points were redeemed
Email (and account) state that the expiration is one year from today
As typical, App is up-to-date, website doesn't show the updated information yet.
Concerning use of TP for peak or off-peak, see post 2179:
The new award redemption chart will not impact Travel Packages. After these changes go into effect, you'll be able to book a hotel within the category assigned to your Travel Package, regardless of whether the dates at the hotel are in off-peak, standard or peak rates.
Travel Package General Discussion Thread
#121
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,754
The one thing I believe you are forgetting (I may be wrong) is that the points per stay have increased post merger. My take is that those of us that emptied our points balances before Aug 18 were the winners. If people left points in their accounts, those points experienced a MAJOR devaluation. Going forward I wanna hunk is he best way to recalculate your example would be to look at a $200 hotel stay boat pre and post merger and calculate how many nights to get to said travel packages.
The new travel packages are priced using peak prices. A Cat 6 package with 50K miles would cost 1.5 times the number of miles plus 6 times the peak price per nights. 1.5 points/mile * 50K miles + 6 * 60K points per night = 435K points. For 100K miles the cost would be 510K.
Someone has done an analysis posted on the net that one would be better off to just book the hotel nights with plain reward nights, and do the airline miles transfer separately as needed (the ratio of the transfer is kept at the old SPG level, with the devaluation happened at the SPG credit card's earning rate from 3 down to 2, a 30% devaluation)
In short, there is no saving to gain from the New structure, not any arbitrage value from the SPG to Marriott. We are all together now, that is what Marriott is telling us. What we are not told is, the new program has a lot of devaluation that are not in plain sight, like the categories moved upward, but rather in other ways that are less noticeable by not so savvy members.
For reward nights, there are actually some improvements such as more 25K and 35K properties to choose from because not only SPG are added, but many previous 30K Marriott properties now are at 25K. The very high end off the chart SPG properties now are much more reasonable (not just those on the islands, but also those at desirable destinations with iconic properties, think Venice as an example).
Hence going forward, plain reward night redemption would be the way to go. I am sure the last shoe to drop would be WHEN and IF we see Off Peak pricing! Given there is no defined periods, and it is all subject to the property's own discretion, I must say I am not hopeful on that!
#122
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,754
I was told the completion of the stay, i.e. the date you check out. Others may chime in what their recollections might be.
#123
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 17
Help
i am a package newbie so forgive my silly questions:
I need 100,000 miles but not really the hotel stay
1. If I cancel a new cat 1-4 100,000 package, I would get 45,000 points back?
2. Has anyone had luck booking a 5 night package lately?
I need 100,000 miles but not really the hotel stay
1. If I cancel a new cat 1-4 100,000 package, I would get 45,000 points back?
2. Has anyone had luck booking a 5 night package lately?
#124
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 87
Just FYI... After being on hold for an hour and then getting hung up on by an agent working to adjust my travel package, I called Marriott Europe.
Got through to an agent in 7 minutes. Explained that an agent prior to the merger told me that if I attached my OC8 to a hotel, I could always move it after the merger. However, the hotel I attached it to on her recommendation changed to NC5 and we'd like to use it for a NC6 hotel (both were cat 8 prior to merger).
Took her 10 minutes. She canceled my NC5, issued me an NC6 with today's date as expiration, and even credited me the difference in points that I was charged for the new certificate. No supervisor. No hassle. No massive time on hold.
So to sum up. Bought OC8. Got NC6. All is good in the world.
Got through to an agent in 7 minutes. Explained that an agent prior to the merger told me that if I attached my OC8 to a hotel, I could always move it after the merger. However, the hotel I attached it to on her recommendation changed to NC5 and we'd like to use it for a NC6 hotel (both were cat 8 prior to merger).
Took her 10 minutes. She canceled my NC5, issued me an NC6 with today's date as expiration, and even credited me the difference in points that I was charged for the new certificate. No supervisor. No hassle. No massive time on hold.
So to sum up. Bought OC8. Got NC6. All is good in the world.
#125
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: YYZ, YUL, PEK
Posts: 429
Just FYI... After being on hold for an hour and then getting hung up on by an agent working to adjust my travel package, I called Marriott Europe.
Got through to an agent in 7 minutes. Explained that an agent prior to the merger told me that if I attached my OC8 to a hotel, I could always move it after the merger. However, the hotel I attached it to on her recommendation changed to NC5 and we'd like to use it for a NC6 hotel (both were cat 8 prior to merger).
Took her 10 minutes. She canceled my NC5, issued me an NC6 with today's date as expiration, and even credited me the difference in points that I was charged for the new certificate. No supervisor. No hassle. No massive time on hold.
So to sum up. Bought OC8. Got NC6. All is good in the world.
Got through to an agent in 7 minutes. Explained that an agent prior to the merger told me that if I attached my OC8 to a hotel, I could always move it after the merger. However, the hotel I attached it to on her recommendation changed to NC5 and we'd like to use it for a NC6 hotel (both were cat 8 prior to merger).
Took her 10 minutes. She canceled my NC5, issued me an NC6 with today's date as expiration, and even credited me the difference in points that I was charged for the new certificate. No supervisor. No hassle. No massive time on hold.
So to sum up. Bought OC8. Got NC6. All is good in the world.
#126
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: UK
Programs: BA S, VS S, SQ G, HH D, IHG D/A, Marriott G, Radisson G, Hertz PC
Posts: 3,945
Yes, that is exactly what I did. I followed MasterGeek's advice and mentioned the package numbers. "I would like to convert my 870T/P870 to QP91". Takes them a while to figure out exact what you want, and if the agent is clueless or isn't willing to help then ask for someone else. You could possibly go directly to a supervisor to save some time. Since the conversion is basically a cancel and reorder, in theory you could even upgrade multiple categories if the agent is willing. I think you should try to do this sooner rather than later, because once all their agents are trained up on the no upgrades policy (assuming they stick to it), then this loophole will close.
Also, FYI, the new certificate had an expiration date exactly one year from today.
Also, FYI, the new certificate had an expiration date exactly one year from today.
#127
Join Date: Jun 2018
Programs: Marriott, Delta, United, Hilton, Chase
Posts: 15
I dont know if they will enforce them right away with all the chaos, but the new T&C state that all the new certs are only worth 5,000 points if cancelled. 45,000 points was the cancellation value for the old cat 1-5 certs.
#128
What the 45,000 MRs can you for you? Not even one single premium night. You'd better off going to spend a 7-night vacation somewhere overseas. There are plenty good hotels in other countries.
#129
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 470
I believe I figured the corresponding codes for packages in the new system. Please check your emails with subject "new reward order confirmation" to help me complete it.
5-night packages
7-night packages
Other 7-night packages
xx0T = initial package;
Pxx0 = partial package;
QPxx = post-merger converted partial package
5-night packages
- OC5 530T/P530 = NC4 QP53 (to be confirmed)
7-night packages
- OC5 830T/P830 = NC4 QP83 (refund value: 45K)
- OC6 870T/P870 = NC4 QP87 (refund value: 75K)
- OC7 910T/P910 = NC5 QP91 (refund value: 105K)
- OC8 950T/P950 = NC5 QP95 (refund value: 135K)
- OC9 990T/P990 = NC6 QP99 (refund value: 165K)
Other 7-night packages
- OC7 P880 = NC5 QP88 (refund value: 135K)
- OC8 P920 = NC5 QP92 (refund value: 165K)
xx0T = initial package;
Pxx0 = partial package;
QPxx = post-merger converted partial package
#130
Only if the rep wants to do it. And only the supervisors can change those legacy TPs. If we give them more time, more things should open up. It can take from 15 to 30 minutes to work on any TP.....
#131
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 470
My father-in-law is holding an old cat 1-5 travel certificate that he had planned to upgrade and use at Ko'Olina in January 2019. That would have required 90K points prior to August 18. Unfortunately, the Ko'Olina timeshare did not release any January rooms prior to August 18. So, he couldn't upgrade and attach a certificate or make a reservation. In the past, January rooms were routinely available using rewards points. I had assumed that Ko'Olina was waiting to open availability in January until after August 18 so that they could charge 50K miles. However, they still haven't released any rooms in January. Nevertheless, assuming Ko'Olina eventually releases rooms in January, my father-in-law would still like to upgrade his certificate and use it there. It appears that the upgrade would now cost 120K points verses 90K points prior to August 18. Nevertheless, if they gave this option, he would do it.
#132
I am happy to wait. I guess my question is whether this will be possible at some point?
... I had assumed that Ko'Olina was waiting to open availability in January until after August 18 so that they could charge 50K miles. However, they still haven't released any rooms in January. Nevertheless, assuming Ko'Olina eventually releases rooms in January, my father-in-law would still like to upgrade his certificate and use it there. It appears that the upgrade would now cost 120K points verses 90K points prior to August 18. Nevertheless, if they gave this option, he would do it.
... I had assumed that Ko'Olina was waiting to open availability in January until after August 18 so that they could charge 50K miles. However, they still haven't released any rooms in January. Nevertheless, assuming Ko'Olina eventually releases rooms in January, my father-in-law would still like to upgrade his certificate and use it there. It appears that the upgrade would now cost 120K points verses 90K points prior to August 18. Nevertheless, if they gave this option, he would do it.
If you take the face value of those TPs, the MRs you get back are just paltry. The OC1-5 had value of 150,000 and you can only get back 45,000. The OC9 had value of 270,000 and you'd be lucky to get back 165,000. But at least you can use those OC9 TPs.
#133
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Programs: MB-LTT , HH-Diam., HGP-Expl.
Posts: 778
I remember seeing in the Wiki and in the common recommendation is that, if you do not get travel plan in mind, book OC1-5 TP. So a lot people booked the OC1-5 TPs speculatively. They never attached those since they had no intention to use those low-level TPs. Those TPs will likely drop in values even if some upgrade paths are possible. As you said, it is going to costly to use those.
If you take the face value of those TPs, the MRs you get back are just paltry. The OC1-5 had value of 150,000 and you can only get back 45,000. The OC9 had value of 270,000 and you'd be lucky to get back 165,000. But at least you can use those OC9 TPs.
If you take the face value of those TPs, the MRs you get back are just paltry. The OC1-5 had value of 150,000 and you can only get back 45,000. The OC9 had value of 270,000 and you'd be lucky to get back 165,000. But at least you can use those OC9 TPs.
In my case, I knew where I wanted to stay but couldn't commit to firm travel dates. Not having fixed dates wouldn't have mattered if I knew what legacy package matched to the new ones. Although my choices ended up being fine, others ended up with certificates that didn't match their needs.
#134
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,754
Did you read post 124 for the latest success change? Key is not waste your time with the inept North America based agents. Less than 10% of them is competent and willing, while the opposite is true for the international centers.
Not sure what your motive is to keep preaching to people not to call while those who are willing to endue the hassle, generally get things done to their hoped for solution.
You have no idea how the agents work. They do NOT work on "things". Their duties are taking customers calls which are routed thru by robot and would connect the moment there is an opening slot of a human. They do NOT sit by their desks working on "things" so "more would get done." They do whatever tasks at hand, i.e. the requests from the callers, and only do things that are permitted by the system, hardly any override.
As someone points out when eventually all agents are being trained and the system is tweaked further, then some of the desired outcomes would not happen.
The early birds catch the worms. Sure you have heard about this?
#135
Not true based on personal and friend's experience.
Did you read post 124 for the latest success change?
Not sure what your motive is to keep preaching to people not to call while those who are willing to endue the hassle, generally get things done to their hoped for solution.
You have no idea how the agents work. They do NOT work on "things". Their duties are taking customers calls which are routed thru by robot and would connect the moment there is an opening slot of a human. They do NOT sit by their desks working on "things" so "more would get done." They do whatever tasks at hand, i.e. the requests from the callers, and only do things that are permitted by the system, hardly any override.
As someone points out when eventually all agents are being trained and the system is tweaked further, then some of the desired outcomes would not happen.
The early birds catch the worms. Sure you have heard about this?
Did you read post 124 for the latest success change?
Not sure what your motive is to keep preaching to people not to call while those who are willing to endue the hassle, generally get things done to their hoped for solution.
You have no idea how the agents work. They do NOT work on "things". Their duties are taking customers calls which are routed thru by robot and would connect the moment there is an opening slot of a human. They do NOT sit by their desks working on "things" so "more would get done." They do whatever tasks at hand, i.e. the requests from the callers, and only do things that are permitted by the system, hardly any override.
As someone points out when eventually all agents are being trained and the system is tweaked further, then some of the desired outcomes would not happen.
The early birds catch the worms. Sure you have heard about this?