Sep 4, 2018, 3:50 pm
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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2018)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
When converting your legacy certificate to a new certificate your prior certificate is cancelled and your new certificate will (in most cases) have an expiration date that is 12 months from the date of issuance (today).
The codes for the New Category partial packages are:
5-night packages
NCx = new certificate category
QPxx = post-merger converted partial package
OCx = old certificate category
QLxx = post-merger converted partial package (only QL known so far is QL87 for NC7)
xx0T = initial package;
Pxx0 = partial package;
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MARRIOT UK: +44 20 7012 7312
For best practices on converting OC to NC, I’ve copied post # 1181 here. Thank you jameswes!
(Also, never use the word UPGRADE. You must say you want to CONVERT your certs.)
IMPORTANT! Possible Points Advance Implications of March 5 category changes: There’s a (potential) issue with the category changes and Points Advance reservations. Marriott included the following information when they emailed some of us about the upcoming changes: “Points Advance — Members who wish to book a points advance redemption under the current Marriott Rewards and SPG award chart are encouraged to order redemption certificates before March 5 to lock in the rate. On March 5, redemption bookings are subject to the new unified program award chart.” We’ve reached out to Marriott to confirm the practical implications of this verbiage, as it sounds like Points Advance reservations will revert to the new pricing if they don’t have certificates attached prior to March 5. To be on the safe side, if your hotel is increasing in category be sure your TP certificate is attached to the reservation before March 5.
Concerning use of TP for peak or off-peak, see post 2179:
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2018)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
When converting your legacy certificate to a new certificate your prior certificate is cancelled and your new certificate will (in most cases) have an expiration date that is 12 months from the date of issuance (today).
The codes for the New Category partial packages are:
5-night packages
- OC5=530T/P530 is now NC4 QP53
- OC6=570T/P570 is now NC4 QP53
- OC7=610T/P610 is now NC5 QP61 (refund value: 45K)
- OC8=650T/P650 is now NC5 QP?? (Refund value: 75k)
- OC9=690T/P690 is now NC6 QP69
- NC4 QP83 = OC5 830T/P830 (refund value: 45K)
- NC4 QP87 = OC6 870T/P870 (refund value: 75K)
- NC5 QP91 = OC7 910T/P910 (refund value: 105K)
- NC5 QP95 = OC8 950T/P950 (refund value: 135K)
- NC6 QP99 = OC9 990T/P990 (refund value: 165K)
- NC6 QP99 = OC Tier 1-3 L830 (refund value: 195K)
- NC7 QL87 = OC Tier 4-5 L870 (refund value: 315K)
- NC5 QP88 = OC7 P880 (refund value: 135K)
- NC5 QP92 = OC8 P920 (refund value: 165K)
NCx = new certificate category
QPxx = post-merger converted partial package
OCx = old certificate category
QLxx = post-merger converted partial package (only QL known so far is QL87 for NC7)
xx0T = initial package;
Pxx0 = partial package;
************************************************** *******
MARRIOT UK: +44 20 7012 7312
For best practices on converting OC to NC, I’ve copied post # 1181 here. Thank you jameswes!
(Also, never use the word UPGRADE. You must say you want to CONVERT your certs.)
New data point for the new year.
I've read/followed the majority of this thread and now that I have a plan for how to use the travel certificates I made it happen
Last July, I purchased two OC1-5 travel packages. I have an upcoming trip that I wanted to use the certificates to book two rooms at an NC5 hotel.
1) Verified that I had an extra 120,000 MR points in my account (2x60,000 to upgrade from NC4 to NC5)
2) Call the UK Marriott # in the wiki (+44 20 7012 7312). In total, the call took about 25 minutes.
3) Explain that I have a booking I wanted to make, and I wanted to Cancel my two 830T certificates and convert them to two QP91 certificates. I did need to be clear with the rep that I was going to be using additional points from my account to upgrade the certificate.
Canceling two 830T (OC1-5) added 90,000 points (2x45000) to my account
Ordering two QP91 (NC5) subtracted 210,000 points (2x105K) from my account
4) The rep said that their "specialist" wasn't in the office, but she would leave detailed notes and have him do it the next day
5) True to form, the next day (today), I got an emails saying that my old certificates were canceled and new certificates were ordered.
Email clearly states that 830T certs were canceled
Second email clearly states that QP91 certs were ordered and 210K points were redeemed
Email (and account) state that the expiration is one year from today
As typical, App is up-to-date, website doesn't show the updated information yet.
I've read/followed the majority of this thread and now that I have a plan for how to use the travel certificates I made it happen
Last July, I purchased two OC1-5 travel packages. I have an upcoming trip that I wanted to use the certificates to book two rooms at an NC5 hotel.
1) Verified that I had an extra 120,000 MR points in my account (2x60,000 to upgrade from NC4 to NC5)
2) Call the UK Marriott # in the wiki (+44 20 7012 7312). In total, the call took about 25 minutes.
3) Explain that I have a booking I wanted to make, and I wanted to Cancel my two 830T certificates and convert them to two QP91 certificates. I did need to be clear with the rep that I was going to be using additional points from my account to upgrade the certificate.
Canceling two 830T (OC1-5) added 90,000 points (2x45000) to my account
Ordering two QP91 (NC5) subtracted 210,000 points (2x105K) from my account
4) The rep said that their "specialist" wasn't in the office, but she would leave detailed notes and have him do it the next day
5) True to form, the next day (today), I got an emails saying that my old certificates were canceled and new certificates were ordered.
Email clearly states that 830T certs were canceled
Second email clearly states that QP91 certs were ordered and 210K points were redeemed
Email (and account) state that the expiration is one year from today
As typical, App is up-to-date, website doesn't show the updated information yet.
Concerning use of TP for peak or off-peak, see post 2179:
The new award redemption chart will not impact Travel Packages. After these changes go into effect, you'll be able to book a hotel within the category assigned to your Travel Package, regardless of whether the dates at the hotel are in off-peak, standard or peak rates.
Travel Package General Discussion Thread
Aug 17, 2019, 12:01 pm
#2236
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Options in Asia can be good. Need to see what I come up with
Aug 17, 2019, 1:08 pm
#2238
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I looked in the Wiki but couldn't find the answer to two simple questions:
Can you attach Travel Package certificate online or do you have to call in?
Are there any adverse effects of booking a 7-day res with points and then calling in to attach the Travel Package instead of points?
Can you attach Travel Package certificate online or do you have to call in?
Are there any adverse effects of booking a 7-day res with points and then calling in to attach the Travel Package instead of points?
Aug 17, 2019, 1:13 pm
#2239
Join Date: Mar 2016
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Sure, show us some recent DPs pls.... You say "always", but how can you explain the DP reported with post #2138 and others? You get no proof. Your DP is half year old.
No, it is never a valid reason to request "extension" since YOU can't find any properties for your 7-night stay. You ordered it and it is up to you to use it. Either use it or lose it. Marriott can't save you from your speculate bet.
No, it is never a valid reason to request "extension" since YOU can't find any properties for your 7-night stay. You ordered it and it is up to you to use it. Either use it or lose it. Marriott can't save you from your speculate bet.
A 5 month old DP is STILL a DP that proves a converted NC can redeem for a night past it's expiration date. HELLO?! 7 nights at 2020!
It is definitely a valid reason because not all properties have standard availability 7 consecutive nights in a row and from my past experience when speaking with agents from the plat line, most generally are very pro-active in helping.
I'm holding up to call for my extension till September, I'm not going to waste a month's worth of extension just to prove you wrong.
Aug 17, 2019, 1:13 pm
#2240
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I looked in the Wiki but couldn't find the answer to two simple questions:
Can you attach Travel Package certificate online or do you have to call in?
Are there any adverse effects of booking a 7-day res with points and then calling in to attach the Travel Package instead of points?
Can you attach Travel Package certificate online or do you have to call in?
Are there any adverse effects of booking a 7-day res with points and then calling in to attach the Travel Package instead of points?
Aug 17, 2019, 1:15 pm
#2241
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 413
I looked in the Wiki but couldn't find the answer to two simple questions:
Can you attach Travel Package certificate online or do you have to call in?
Are there any adverse effects of booking a 7-day res with points and then calling in to attach the Travel Package instead of points?
Can you attach Travel Package certificate online or do you have to call in?
Are there any adverse effects of booking a 7-day res with points and then calling in to attach the Travel Package instead of points?
A2 - Nope, you can do that to hold reservations with points, the agent can overwrite it and apply the TP for you. But watch out with all the peak and non-peak, it will make points reserv slightly more troublesome, and Marriott automatically deducts all your points if you have enough within 15 days of your check in date.
Aug 17, 2019, 1:17 pm
#2242
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I'm trying to understand your agenda here, why are you so dead set on proving that it is not possible to extend? Did Marriott crossed you and you had lost like 3-4 TPs overnight or something? Or have you redeemed all your TP already? You talk about proof, but yet your argument is only based on something that is an existential thought or belief.
A 5 month old DP is STILL a DP that proves a converted NC can redeem for a night past it's expiration date. HELLO?! 7 nights at 2020!
It is definitely a valid reason because not all properties have standard availability 7 consecutive nights in a row and from my past experience when speaking with agents from the plat line, most generally are very pro-active in helping.
I'm holding up to call for my extension till September, I'm not going to waste a month's worth of extension just to prove you wrong.
A 5 month old DP is STILL a DP that proves a converted NC can redeem for a night past it's expiration date. HELLO?! 7 nights at 2020!
It is definitely a valid reason because not all properties have standard availability 7 consecutive nights in a row and from my past experience when speaking with agents from the plat line, most generally are very pro-active in helping.
I'm holding up to call for my extension till September, I'm not going to waste a month's worth of extension just to prove you wrong.
Aug 17, 2019, 1:37 pm
#2243
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 16
I have a question of 7-night travel package expiration date. My 7-night travel package will be expired on Jun 20, 2020. Can I use it before the expiration date, but stay after the expiration date? E.g., can I use it on Jun 18th and stays until Jun 24th for 7 nights, which is after the expiration date of Jun 20?
Aug 17, 2019, 1:48 pm
#2244
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I have a question of 7-night travel package expiration date. My 7-night travel package will be expired on Jun 20, 2020. Can I use it before the expiration date, but stay after the expiration date? E.g., can I use it on Jun 18th and stays until Jun 24th for 7 nights, which is after the expiration date of Jun 20?
Aug 17, 2019, 2:16 pm
#2245
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I'm trying to understand your agenda here, why are you so dead set on proving that it is not possible to extend? Did Marriott crossed you and you had lost like 3-4 TPs overnight or something? Or have you redeemed all your TP already? You talk about proof, but yet your argument is only based on something that is an existential thought or belief.
A 5 month old DP is STILL a DP that proves a converted NC can redeem for a night past it's expiration date. HELLO?! 7 nights at 2020!
It is definitely a valid reason because not all properties have standard availability 7 consecutive nights in a row and from my past experience when speaking with agents from the plat line, most generally are very pro-active in helping.
I'm holding up to call for my extension till September, I'm not going to waste a month's worth of extension just to prove you wrong.
A 5 month old DP is STILL a DP that proves a converted NC can redeem for a night past it's expiration date. HELLO?! 7 nights at 2020!
It is definitely a valid reason because not all properties have standard availability 7 consecutive nights in a row and from my past experience when speaking with agents from the plat line, most generally are very pro-active in helping.
I'm holding up to call for my extension till September, I'm not going to waste a month's worth of extension just to prove you wrong.
The data points are mixed. And recent DPs get even worse. I wouldn’t just blindly follow personal advice from someone over the internet.
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Aug 17, 2019, 2:20 pm
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Aug 17, 2019, 2:37 pm
#2247
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The point of posting here is to share constructive comments and DP.
Aug 17, 2019, 2:58 pm
#2248
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As I said earlier, I had my old certificates extended in mid-August 2018 and converted the last one yesterday. Unless I can't find a use for them by August 2020, I have no reason to call about the possibility of another year of certificate life. Even if I feel the need to call about possible extensions, I won't be making that call until almost a year from now. I would expect that by mid-August 2020, the answer to whether or not these certificates can gain another year of life will either not matter to most posters or will have been answered.
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Aug 18, 2019, 5:15 am
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Temporarily closing thread for some clean-up.
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Please keep posts on-topic and not about other posters.
Thank you.
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