Marriott's No Blackout Policy, Post-Merger General Discussion Thread
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All along i think the focus in language on blackouts (even in this thread that i started and believe it got renamed by moderators to "no blackout") has really not done us any favors. Actual blackouts are much much lower impact than the allowance of capacity controls. The real loss of award inventory (for legacy SPG properties) is the hotels' ability to list just one room and be in compliance. having a true no blackout policy would not alleviate much of the frustration we experience. Only going back to "if a standard room is available for cash, then its available for points" would do that. And that's not going to happen. Marriott tried to make that stick when the merger happened, even using that specific language in FAQs and maybe even in T&Cs. But for whatever reason, either Marriott or the legacy Marriott hotel owners decided this position was untenable and it was dropped. I remember reading out loud from the website to the hotel at the very beginning of this thread and several Marriott folks and all of them were clear that this just couldn't be and the website must be wrong...and a few months later, the website was updated to what we have now.
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I guess the difference between how SPG and Marriott reimburse those point stays make it not attractive to the hotel owners to allow point redemption on busy periods.
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just got reconfirmation from the lurkers....i guess the blackout policy doesn't really mean much....here is what he said:
While all of our participating hotels have standard rooms available every day for stays using points, a few of our properties may limit the number of standard rooms using points on a limited number of days. Consequently, being able to use redemption when hotels have paid rate rooms available is no longer the operating policy.
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Properties continue to do this & Marriott really doesn't care. Have a 10 day award booking over Christmas & the New Year at a property in London. Was looking to book a second room for the same period however the night of the 31st has no award availability despite the fact that they are selling the exact room type that I have booked using points. Also, the exact room type is available using points on all days before & after the 31st night.
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Properties continue to do this & Marriott really doesn't care. Have a 10 day award booking over Christmas & the New Year at a property in London. Was looking to book a second room for the same period however the night of the 31st has no award availability despite the fact that they are selling the exact room type that I have booked using points. Also, the exact room type is available using points on all days before & after the 31st night.
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Was looking to book a second room for the same period however the night of the 31st has no award availability despite the fact that they are selling the exact room type that I have booked using points. Also, the exact room type is available using points on all days before & after the 31st night.
Marriott does not guarantee last room award availability (i.e., if we have a base room, it is available on points). Perhaps you are thinking of Hyatt, which does.
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Properties continue to do this & Marriott really doesn't care. Have a 10 day award booking over Christmas & the New Year at a property in London. Was looking to book a second room for the same period however the night of the 31st has no award availability despite the fact that they are selling the exact room type that I have booked using points. Also, the exact room type is available using points on all days before & after the 31st night.
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That's the majority of escalations. I worked in their escalations dept aka elite. The vast majority of escalations are people who can't read the rules or refuse to accept them. That's not to say Marriott doesn't pull some shifty stuff. But the rules are published for all to see, including the line that says they can change anything they want with or without notification at any time. So its not like its a big secret. The rules are long and can be hard to read, but they do in most cases adhere.
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What used to crack me up was the people that thought they were gonna sue over some perceived violation of the rules. No, you are not. First, lawyers wrote the terms and conditions. They have protected themselves forwards backwards and inside out. Second, the cost to sue anyone for anything makes it mostly cost prohibitive for trivial .... like being butthurt over not getting your way. Lastly, the second you start talking lawyers we we're trained to end the call. We will not talk to you if you're talkin like that. Marriott has lots and lots of lawyers, they do the lawyer talking.
Your best bet to get a good result in your favor is just be a human being talking to another human being. I routinely did things for people merely for not being jerks.
We are not paid to tolerate your abusive nonsense. I've never understood the whole trying to get someone to help you by being an ....... to them. Thats not gonna get you anything but hung up on over and over and over. And they'll laugh about it at lunch.. but the folks that are civilized and just gotten jacked around many of us would work their problems for days or weeks to get them sorted out. I had folks that emailed me directly months later to thank me for whatever it was I did for them.
Many of us try to do the right thing by you guys. We are not just "customer wrong company right" mindless drones. Many of us have years of experience under our belts.
That said...Marriott seriously needs to up the accountability because there's lots of craptastic agents that mess things up and as far as we know, nothin happens. Back in the starwood days if you jacked up someone's reservation it was your butt. And might cost your job if the financial impact is over a couple hundred bucks.
Your best bet to get a good result in your favor is just be a human being talking to another human being. I routinely did things for people merely for not being jerks.
We are not paid to tolerate your abusive nonsense. I've never understood the whole trying to get someone to help you by being an ....... to them. Thats not gonna get you anything but hung up on over and over and over. And they'll laugh about it at lunch.. but the folks that are civilized and just gotten jacked around many of us would work their problems for days or weeks to get them sorted out. I had folks that emailed me directly months later to thank me for whatever it was I did for them.
Many of us try to do the right thing by you guys. We are not just "customer wrong company right" mindless drones. Many of us have years of experience under our belts.
That said...Marriott seriously needs to up the accountability because there's lots of craptastic agents that mess things up and as far as we know, nothin happens. Back in the starwood days if you jacked up someone's reservation it was your butt. And might cost your job if the financial impact is over a couple hundred bucks.
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No misunderstanding. I know its in the rules. I was just venting. It just makes me miss the SPG days even more.
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Its the rules they have set & unfortunately we are bound by it if we want to participate in the program. Doesn't mean I can't point out it sucks.
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That's the majority of escalations. I worked in their escalations dept aka elite. The vast majority of escalations are people who can't read the rules or refuse to accept them. That's not to say Marriott doesn't pull some shifty stuff. But the rules are published for all to see, including the line that says they can change anything they want with or without notification at any time. So its not like its a big secret. The rules are long and can be hard to read, but they do in most cases adhere.
What used to crack me up was the people that thought they were gonna sue over some perceived violation of the rules. No, you are not. First, lawyers wrote the terms and conditions. They have protected themselves forwards backwards and inside out. Second, the cost to sue anyone for anything makes it mostly cost prohibitive for trivial .... like being butthurt over not getting your way. Lastly, the second you start talking lawyers we we're trained to end the call. We will not talk to you if you're talkin like that. Marriott has lots and lots of lawyers, they do the lawyer talking.
Your best bet to get a good result in your favor is just be a human being talking to another human being. I routinely did things for people merely for not being jerks.
Your best bet to get a good result in your favor is just be a human being talking to another human being. I routinely did things for people merely for not being jerks.
I agree with the part about being a good human being when dealing with customer service. Just earlier this week I had a situation where an airline changed its flight timing to 50 minutes earlier which is making it difficult for me to reach the airport on time. Their rules say that they won't make any changes without penalty unless the schedule change is more than an hour. I explained my situation politely & requested that I would be grateful if they could make a one time exception for me, even though it is going above their policy. I wasn't expecting any help but the agent was kind enough to discuss with a supervisor & they allowed me to move to a later flight. It always helps to be polite.
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I never said it was a policy violation & I'm aware of my own message that I posted 2 years ago. I'm just coming across more hotels that do this & obviously it comes with Marriott's blessings.
Its the rules they have set & unfortunately we are bound by it if we want to participate in the program. Doesn't mean I can't point out it sucks.
Its the rules they have set & unfortunately we are bound by it if we want to participate in the program. Doesn't mean I can't point out it sucks.
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