May 9, 2018, 11:36 am
Last edit by: rny321
PATHWAYS TO LIFETIME PLATINUM PREMIER ELITE STATUS:
1. Legacy Marriott Lifetime Platinum - 750 [MR+SPG] nights & 2MM Marriott Rewards points earned - not available after 1/1/2019
2. New Combined Program - 750 [MR+SPG] nights & 10 years combined/total as Platinum members previously under MR and/or SPG as of 12/31/2018 - not available after 1/1/2019
From members.marriott.com:
NOTE: Members that reach 750 nights and 10 years at Platinum by December 31, 2018 will be grandfathered into Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite status (notified January 2019).
FAQ from members.marriott.com
Q: CAN I EARN LIFETIME STATUS UNDER THE LEGACY REQUIREMENTS (ACTIVE PRIOR TO AUGUST 2018) FOR LIFETIME ELITE STATUS IN MARRIOTT REWARDS, RITZ-CARLTON REWARDS OR SPG? IF SO, WHEN WILL I BE NOTIFIED OF MY LIFETIME ELITE STATUS?
A: Yes, in addition to earning based on the new criteria, members can earn Lifetime Elite Status under the legacy requirements through the end of 2018. If Lifetime status is achieved by legacy requirements, between August and December 31, 2018 you will receive notice of your updated Lifetime Elite status in January 2019. If Lifetime status is achieved based on the new criteria, you will be notified both in August 2018 as well as any time it is achieved through the end of the year.
Example: An SPG member has 300 Lifetime nights, 4 years of Gold Elite Status, and 1 year of Platinum Elite Status after August, 2018. Under the SPG legacy Lifetime requirements, this member would earn Lifetime Gold Elite status which would reflect in their account January 2019.
Q: IF I WILL NOT BE GRANDFATHERED INTO LIFETIME PLATINUM PREMIER ELITE, WILL I HAVE THE ABILITY TO EARN INTO THIS LEVEL IN 2018?
A: Yes, members can earn Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite in 2018 if they achieve 750 Lifetime nights and 10 years at Platinum Elite status. This requirement is only for 2018 and will not be continued in future years. Members will receive notice of this Lifetime achievement in January 2019.
1. Legacy Marriott Lifetime Platinum - 750 [MR+SPG] nights & 2MM Marriott Rewards points earned - not available after 1/1/2019
2. New Combined Program - 750 [MR+SPG] nights & 10 years combined/total as Platinum members previously under MR and/or SPG as of 12/31/2018 - not available after 1/1/2019
From members.marriott.com:
NOTE: Members that reach 750 nights and 10 years at Platinum by December 31, 2018 will be grandfathered into Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite status (notified January 2019).
FAQ from members.marriott.com
Q: CAN I EARN LIFETIME STATUS UNDER THE LEGACY REQUIREMENTS (ACTIVE PRIOR TO AUGUST 2018) FOR LIFETIME ELITE STATUS IN MARRIOTT REWARDS, RITZ-CARLTON REWARDS OR SPG? IF SO, WHEN WILL I BE NOTIFIED OF MY LIFETIME ELITE STATUS?
A: Yes, in addition to earning based on the new criteria, members can earn Lifetime Elite Status under the legacy requirements through the end of 2018. If Lifetime status is achieved by legacy requirements, between August and December 31, 2018 you will receive notice of your updated Lifetime Elite status in January 2019. If Lifetime status is achieved based on the new criteria, you will be notified both in August 2018 as well as any time it is achieved through the end of the year.
Example: An SPG member has 300 Lifetime nights, 4 years of Gold Elite Status, and 1 year of Platinum Elite Status after August, 2018. Under the SPG legacy Lifetime requirements, this member would earn Lifetime Gold Elite status which would reflect in their account January 2019.
Q: IF I WILL NOT BE GRANDFATHERED INTO LIFETIME PLATINUM PREMIER ELITE, WILL I HAVE THE ABILITY TO EARN INTO THIS LEVEL IN 2018?
A: Yes, members can earn Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite in 2018 if they achieve 750 Lifetime nights and 10 years at Platinum Elite status. This requirement is only for 2018 and will not be continued in future years. Members will receive notice of this Lifetime achievement in January 2019.
SPG Lifetime Platinums Can Now Qualify For Lifetime Titanium Status
Sep 22, 2018, 6:50 pm
#1066
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Newton Centre, MA, USA
Programs: DL 2MM Gold, AA Plat Pro; Hilton Lifetime Diamond, Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium (via SPG), IHG Plat
Posts: 2,192
This is wrong. SPG rules always said no credit (nights or points, not even on the first days) for stays over 90 nights. MR never had such a rule and I don't see it in the new Starriott T&Cs.
ADDED: Sometimes people negotiate lower rates for long stays directly with the hotel (or there might be a corporate contract) and take as a condition that the stay receives no credit.
Note that in many jurisdictions, one ceases paying hotel type state and local taxes after 30 days.
ADDED: Sometimes people negotiate lower rates for long stays directly with the hotel (or there might be a corporate contract) and take as a condition that the stay receives no credit.
Note that in many jurisdictions, one ceases paying hotel type state and local taxes after 30 days.
Sep 24, 2018, 7:07 pm
#1067
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: YVR
Programs: AC SE 2MM; UA MP Premier Silver; Marriott Bonvoy LT Titanium Elite; Radisson; Avis PC
Posts: 35,255
Given how things have been going just smooth so far and without any bait and switching whatsoever, I wouldn't be surprised if Marriott renders this thread moot-from-the-start on January 1, 2019.
Sep 26, 2018, 8:34 pm
#1068
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*SE MM, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 4,604
Talk about bringing bait and switch to another level... personally it don't affect me being at 9Y combined Plat in the process of finishing my 50 spg nights but still this is a very strange 180 compared to what was earlier communicated. My own slightly conspiracy infused theory is that IT cannot deliver any workable solution to discriminate between SPG and MR legacy stays and yes I know it should just be to load your activity record and and classify your stays but at this point it is quite clear that the IT department at MAR (or whomever was contracted to merge the two systems) is way below any industry standard. . So come Jan 2019 we should all put our setbelts on I would be very surprised if there is not any major issues when they launch the LTPP identification script into production ...
You have earned 66 nights this year, that is correct. However, in order for the status to reflect the lifetime for 1 year you would have had to earn the Status for that year.
You have 66 nights this year which means you would have earned Platinum status for the remainder of this year and next year.
On 04/26/2018 Is when you status matched with SPG. Since then you have earned Platinum status w/ 66 nights.
You have not earned Platinum status for a Full year. Therefore you will not have the year count towards lifetimes status. I hope this answers your questions and concerns.
If we can assist in any other way we are at your service.
You have 66 nights this year which means you would have earned Platinum status for the remainder of this year and next year.
On 04/26/2018 Is when you status matched with SPG. Since then you have earned Platinum status w/ 66 nights.
You have not earned Platinum status for a Full year. Therefore you will not have the year count towards lifetimes status. I hope this answers your questions and concerns.
If we can assist in any other way we are at your service.
Last edited by yvr76; Sep 26, 2018 at 8:40 pm
Sep 27, 2018, 6:49 am
#1069
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Florida
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Posts: 11,329
Wow, I asked my case to be escalated to a supervisor and this is what they said:
I just can't believe this. So basically if I didn't status match or created my account last year I would have been fine but because I did, tough luck? This does not match any of the information we were given at the beginning of the year, nor were there any warnings that status matching would basically mean we couldn't earn any Marriott platinum years.
I just can't believe this. So basically if I didn't status match or created my account last year I would have been fine but because I did, tough luck? This does not match any of the information we were given at the beginning of the year, nor were there any warnings that status matching would basically mean we couldn't earn any Marriott platinum years.
Sep 27, 2018, 8:35 am
#1070
Join Date: May 2003
Location: LCY
Programs: SQ Krisflyer, QR Privilege Club, MB LT Plt (1K+ nights thx MB)
Posts: 1,038
I always thought that if you renew a status level for a particular year you earn another additional LT status year. That is if my status implied by a matching and would expire by the end of 2018, if I during 2018 renew my status that would add one additional status year. If this is added at 1st of Jan 2019 or on the date during the year you renew said status is purely down to when MAR choose to add the 2019 status year obtained in 2018. The most logical in my view is to add it on the date is actually earned.
Sep 27, 2018, 8:51 am
#1071
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I always thought that if you renew a status level for a particular year you earn another additional LT status year. That is if my status implied by a matching and would expire by the end of 2018, if I during 2018 renew my status that would add one additional status year. If this is added at 1st of Jan 2019 or on the date during the year you renew said status is purely down to when MAR choose to add the 2019 status year obtained in 2018. The most logical in my view is to add it on the date is actually earned.
Net, net, net, all this only counts at the beginning or end of a program. Year-to-year not so much.
Sep 28, 2018, 9:34 am
#1072
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: LAX
Programs: UA1KMM SPGPLAT
Posts: 480
Does anyone know if the $20,000 spend requirement applies to re-qualifying for ambassador status this year? Right now its impossible to determine my spend as my MR account reflects $0 spend for 20 nights while my SPG account is correct for over 60 nights. I've called multiple times but still no fix and I've held off from combining accounts because of this issue. If spend doesn't matter this year, I will go ahead and combine accounts.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Sep 28, 2018, 9:43 am
#1073
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Does anyone know if the $20,000 spend requirement applies to re-qualifying for ambassador status this year? Right now its impossible to determine my spend as my MR account reflects $0 spend for 20 nights while my SPG account is correct for over 60 nights. I've called multiple times but still no fix and I've held off from combining accounts because of this issue. If spend doesn't matter this year, I will go ahead and combine accounts.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Sep 28, 2018, 1:34 pm
#1074
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,409
Does anyone know if the $20,000 spend requirement applies to re-qualifying for ambassador status this year? Right now its impossible to determine my spend as my MR account reflects $0 spend for 20 nights while my SPG account is correct for over 60 nights. I've called multiple times but still no fix and I've held off from combining accounts because of this issue. If spend doesn't matter this year, I will go ahead and combine accounts.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Spend isn't suppposed to start to show until you hit 50 nights, in your case presumably on the MR side since you haven't merged your accounts.
To get an Ambassador for next year, you need either 100+ nights in SPG legacy properties ONLY or 100+ combined nights and $20,000 combined spend, however Starriott defines spend in the new program.
To get an Ambassador for next year, you need either 100+ nights in SPG legacy properties ONLY or 100+ combined nights and $20,000 combined spend, however Starriott defines spend in the new program.
Oct 3, 2018, 12:17 am
#1075
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 385
William, is honflyer's situation unique or does it apply to all of us. I will qualify w/ over 50+ nights individually on SPG and MR this year. Will that count as one or two platinum status years?
Separately, I've stayed in some long term hotels in the way, way back (90+ nights). Never had an issue posting correctly. Did this change in the new consolidated program? I get that it may not post correctly and that one might have to call in to sort it out, but is this against program rules now?
Separately, I've stayed in some long term hotels in the way, way back (90+ nights). Never had an issue posting correctly. Did this change in the new consolidated program? I get that it may not post correctly and that one might have to call in to sort it out, but is this against program rules now?
Oct 3, 2018, 12:13 pm
#1076
Company Representative - Starwood
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Austin, Texas
Programs: Marriott Employee Level
Posts: 31,593
Separately, I've stayed in some long term hotels in the way, way back (90+ nights). Never had an issue posting correctly. Did this change in the new consolidated program? I get that it may not post correctly and that one might have to call in to sort it out, but is this against program rules now?
Best regards,
William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Marriott International
[email protected]
Last edited by Starwood Lurker; Oct 3, 2018 at 12:40 pm Reason: add clarity
Oct 3, 2018, 1:43 pm
#1078
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We may never know about honflyer's situation. As far as I am aware, no details were sent to us to review. I am already on record as saying that if you want to qualify for a year of Platinum using legacy SPG and legacy MR terms, then you should complete 50 nights at only SPG properties and 75 nights at only legacy MR properties before the end of the year. I'm fully aware that it was said that MR Golds would be mapped to Platinum in the new program due to past earning structure being equal to the nights required for earning Platinum in SPG, but I would not take the chance that this applies because we are speaking of earning by legacy MR rules, which were 75 nights, not 50.
There was such a rule in the terms and conditions for the legacy SPG program, but I cannot find a similar rule published in the current program terms and conditions. Also, IIRC, there was no such rule in the legacy MR program, so it appears that is the model that will be followed.
Best regards,
William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Marriott International
[email protected]
There was such a rule in the terms and conditions for the legacy SPG program, but I cannot find a similar rule published in the current program terms and conditions. Also, IIRC, there was no such rule in the legacy MR program, so it appears that is the model that will be followed.
Best regards,
William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Marriott International
[email protected]
Oct 3, 2018, 1:46 pm
#1079
Company Representative - Starwood
Join Date: Nov 2000
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Best regards,
William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Marriott International
[email protected]
Last edited by Starwood Lurker; Oct 3, 2018 at 1:50 pm Reason: forgot a "w"
Oct 3, 2018, 1:49 pm
#1080
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I've already stated what my advice is. Having never gotten an answer to yours since April, I would not short-change it. My best personal advice is still do the 75 nights at legacy MR properties if you want to earn a Platinum year according to legacy MR rules. Otherise, YMMV.
Best regards,
William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Marriott International
[email protected]
Best regards,
William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Marriott International
[email protected]