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Are there still plans for the St. Regis Dubai-The Palm?
I know St. Regis lost their contract to manage the one Dubai property. |
Originally Posted by Shangri-La
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Are there still plans for the St. Regis Dubai-The Palm?
I know St. Regis lost their contract to manage the one Dubai property. https://fridaymagazine.ae/travel/hot...2019-1.2187219 |
Originally Posted by bhrubin
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Yes, the St Regis Dubai The Palm is expected to open in 2019. That property has a different owner than that of the former StR Dubai, W Dubai, etc... https://fridaymagazine.ae/travel/hot...2019-1.2187219 |
Originally Posted by Shangri-La
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Thanks! I didn't see it listed on the hotel's site.
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Originally Posted by bhrubin
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I never understand the ins and outs of what is and isn’t listed on the site. The StR Kanai and StR Los Cabos properties in Mexico are no longer showing, either. And Kanai was supposed to open in a month or so, Maybe something happened. And the newly signed StR Melbourne isn’t showing, either—probably too soon. Marriott.com does not even seem to list new properties in the pipeline until they are ready or almost ready to be signed off by corporate for meeting all the brand and safety standards. The Edition Abu Dhabi only showed on the website a couple of weeks before opening even although its been in media releases years before this. The Ritz-Carlton Melbourne will be open before the StR but neither are listed. |
Originally Posted by bhrubin
(Post 30413679)
I never understand the ins and outs of what is and isn’t listed on the site. The StR Kanai and StR Los Cabos properties in Mexico are no longer showing, either. And Kanai was supposed to open in a month or so, Maybe something happened. And the newly signed StR Melbourne isn’t showing, either—probably too soon. |
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agree with marriott here, vs listing 'vaporware' that are not under construction
if i may, interesting st regis history > st regis houston and aspen were ritz carlton that became ITT luxury collection (fairfax at embassy row was also ritz carlton that became ITT luxury collection) sheraton acquire st regis new york, ITT acquire sheraton, starwood acquire ITT marriott acquire ritz carlton and starwood (westin philadelphia and le meridien seoul also opened as ritz carlton) |
There is some indefinite indication that a St. Regis could be in the planning for Fukuoka, Japan for a Dec. 2022 opening. Although the link below to a press release in English states that the "...proposed building a facility in the downtown location that will include a Ritz-Carlton hotel." (please note that the link states that "Ritz-Carlton Hotel Might Open.."), the Japanese text to the right of the building illustration states "5-Star Hotel - Ritz-Carlton, St. Regis, Marriott, etc.," which I would take to mean that Marriott is probably in discussion to open one of their hotels in the new property, whether it be an RC, St. Regis, or Marriott. The contradictory information in the press release is a little puzzling, but perhaps they have not yet decided which hotel to build. There does not appear to be any newer information available online about this.
Ritz-Carlton Hotel Might Open in Tenjin Fukuoka Now |
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this before...but looks like St. Regis is planned for Aruba: https://www.azure-aruba.com/hotel-complex-in-aruba/
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Still hoping the biggest holes in the St Regis portfolio get filled sooner rather than later... London Paris Tokyo Los Angeles Chicago Boston Sydney Zurich Delhi Seoul St. Petersburg |
Zurich and Delhi are the two from that list which really shout out at me. In some of the other markets where the luxury hotel market is well developed over 100+ years I still think it would be difficult for a St Regis to enter - and actually risks tarnishing the brand. Park Hyatt in Paris proved it can be done, but is tricky. I’d love to see more St Regises in cities a tier below these where I think they have a chance to create leading hotels in less established luxury markets. With the St Regis increasingly being a Chinese-focused brand out East, I could see one in Manila or Sydney being easy winners (edit: I missed your suggestion of Sydney first time around). In Europe where the brand is a mix of American, Chinese and randoms I could see interesting opportunities in places like Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Stockholm and Milan. More interestingly, I wonder where there could be a market for St Regis resorts. I’m incredibly sad that Four Seasons took over Astir Palace in Athens which screamed St Regis at me, but how about a pleasant hotel in Nice, the Dalmatian Coast or to go really off-piste how about Northern Norway (Lofoten) or Finland... |
Originally Posted by EuropeanPete
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Zurich and Delhi are the two from that list which really shout out at me. In some of the other markets where the luxury hotel market is well developed over 100+ years I still think it would be difficult for a St Regis to enter - and actually risks tarnishing the brand. Park Hyatt in Paris proved it can be done, but is tricky. ... Incidentally, there is the San Regis Paris already, which is a nice hotel. I’ve always thought it would be nice as an StR, but it is perhaps not a property quite at the level that StR would want to position itself. Paris is really not a “gap” per se, because Marriott does have Prince de Galles already. However London is a major gap in the Marriott portfolio at the high end. Yes, there are Edition and the Park Tower Knightsbridge, but neither is really top end. The city needs a StR, a R-C, or both would be even better. |
For Paris they'd really need to aim at Palace Hotel recognition which means an excellent building has to become available, somehow. It does happen, but not often. Sort of similarly (but not the same), there is essentially no new build in London in the areas where you'd want a St Regis and outside of existing leading luxury hotels not a lot of other options. I thought the Admiralty Arch would have been PERFECT, but having missed out on that and Grosvenor Square I wonder how many suitable locations will open up in the next 10 years. I just don't see a St Regis in either city anytime soon, but if they do it had better be spectacular :)
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Originally Posted by EuropeanPete
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For Paris they'd really need to aim at Palace Hotel recognition which means an excellent building has to become available, somehow. It does happen, but not often. Sort of similarly (but not the same), there is essentially no new build in London in the areas where you'd want a St Regis and outside of existing leading luxury hotels not a lot of other options. I thought the Admiralty Arch would have been PERFECT, but having missed out on that and Grosvenor Square I wonder how many suitable locations will open up in the next 10 years. I just don't see a St Regis in either city anytime soon, but if they do it had better be spectacular :)
And it’s entirely true that if they are going to put up a flag in London, StR need to benchmark themselves against the best hotels in the city. It probably will happen some day, as new hotels are being built and all other brands are already there. |
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