May 30, 2019, 10:25 am
Last edit by: bhrubin
Expert Review (posted to Luxury Forum) from Oct 2017:
https://www.flyertalk.com/hotel-revi...-and-stay-2199
https://www.flyertalk.com/hotel-revi...-and-stay-2199
Prince De Galles, Luxury Collection, Paris, France [Master Thread]
Dec 5, 2018, 8:13 am
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You’re mistaken. The breakfast benefit is taken in the restaurant in Luxury Collection hotels. The terms do not specify that the breakfast benefit must be a full American breakfast. Even SPG terms did not specify more than a continental breakfast. The PdG offering continental breakfast compies with the terms. And did so under SPG terms, as well.
That has been true for many but not all Luxury Collection hotels in my experience. Even the SLS Beverly Hills only comp’d the continental breakfast buffet in its restaurant for its Plat breakfast benefit. As did the Prince de Galles. But the Hotel Imperial Vienna was more generous and offered a full breakfast.
It is a small surcharge to get the full breakfast with hot items if you want it.
Dec 5, 2018, 8:16 am
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In my experience, most Luxury Collection hotels in Europe provide an unlimited all inclusive breakfast, from the menu to the buffet.
I just came back from Italy and that was the case at the Excelsior Gallia in Milan, and the Danieli and Gritti in Venice.
I just came back from Italy and that was the case at the Excelsior Gallia in Milan, and the Danieli and Gritti in Venice.
Dec 5, 2018, 11:02 am
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The definition of breakfast:
"break·fast
/ˈbrekfəst/
noun
noun: breakfast; plural noun: breakfasts
1. a meal eaten in the morning, the first of the day."
This might be shocking, but the fact that a "croissant or muffin" isn't what you personally would eat for breakfast, does not, ipso facto, redefine the meaning of the word...
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Dec 5, 2018, 11:25 am
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The definition of breakfast:
"break·fast
/ˈbrekfəst/
noun
noun: breakfast; plural noun: breakfasts
1. a meal eaten in the morning, the first of the day."
This might be shocking, but the fact that a "croissant or muffin" isn't what you personally would eat for breakfast, does not, ipso facto, redefine the meaning of the word...
Regards
The definition of breakfast:
"break·fast
/ˈbrekfəst/
noun
noun: breakfast; plural noun: breakfasts
1. a meal eaten in the morning, the first of the day."
This might be shocking, but the fact that a "croissant or muffin" isn't what you personally would eat for breakfast, does not, ipso facto, redefine the meaning of the word...
Regards
Dec 5, 2018, 11:36 am
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The definition of breakfast:
"break·fast
/ˈbrekfəst/
noun
noun: breakfast; plural noun: breakfasts
1. a meal eaten in the morning, the first of the day."
This might be shocking, but the fact that a "croissant or muffin" isn't what you personally would eat for breakfast, does not, ipso facto, redefine the meaning of the word...
Regards
The definition of breakfast:
"break·fast
/ˈbrekfəst/
noun
noun: breakfast; plural noun: breakfasts
1. a meal eaten in the morning, the first of the day."
This might be shocking, but the fact that a "croissant or muffin" isn't what you personally would eat for breakfast, does not, ipso facto, redefine the meaning of the word...
Regards
Dec 5, 2018, 3:41 pm
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Do you ever get tired?
The definition of breakfast:
"break·fast
/ˈbrekfəst/
noun
noun: breakfast; plural noun: breakfasts
1. a meal eaten in the morning, the first of the day."
This might be shocking, but the fact that a "croissant or muffin" isn't what you personally would eat for breakfast, does not, ipso facto, redefine the meaning of the word...
Regards
The definition of breakfast:
"break·fast
/ˈbrekfəst/
noun
noun: breakfast; plural noun: breakfasts
1. a meal eaten in the morning, the first of the day."
This might be shocking, but the fact that a "croissant or muffin" isn't what you personally would eat for breakfast, does not, ipso facto, redefine the meaning of the word...
Regards
This is like the OCD of literal interpretation. They do not tire of their insistence. Ever.
Dec 5, 2018, 5:17 pm
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Honestly, unless someone here knows something they’re not telling the rest of us, the answer is surely that it’s not clear what Marriott intended to mean with the term “breakfast”, but that we know in practice at least for the time being whatever properties decide to give is what you will get (and on a literal reading of the T&C’s that’s entirely fair).
Dec 5, 2018, 7:02 pm
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Marriott, itself, specifies "continental breakfast" sometimes, and "breakfast" at other times. Since Marriott makes the distinction, we are entitled to [try to] hold them to it. To be complete, however, PdG has a fairly large selection of baked goods, not just croissants, all of which are included. They were quite good, too.
Dec 5, 2018, 7:38 pm
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I imagine if a platinum premier or platinum premier ambassador pushed back the property would give them a full breakfast. The issue is not enough guests push back.
Dec 5, 2018, 8:01 pm
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Honestly, unless someone here knows something they’re not telling the rest of us, the answer is surely that it’s not clear what Marriott intended to mean with the term “breakfast”, but that we know in practice at least for the time being whatever properties decide to give is what you will get (and on a literal reading of the T&C’s that’s entirely fair).
The course many of us have settled on is to patronize those properties that treat elites well, and avoid those properties that do not. Arguing that the T&Cs require something they do not is really an exercise in futility.
The breakfast at Excelsior Gallia is spectacular.
Dec 5, 2018, 8:27 pm
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I don’t know how it works at Marriott, but in the past at SPG “continental breakfast” meant continental breakfast & “breakfast” meant “full breakfast.” SPG enforced this at Palazzina G when they only offered continental when their rate included breakfast.
Dec 6, 2018, 4:40 am
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Dec 6, 2018, 8:43 am
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I think it’s fair to say that if one is overly concerned about what one may or may not get for free at a luxury hotel, one may be better served and more appreciative of the experience and cost of a non-luxury hotel.
I’m all about getting more value from a hotel—even a luxury hotel. But I think it becomes superfluous and reasonably stunning when someone is going to complain about whether or not eggs are included in a free breakfast at a luxury hotel. If one so desires eggs, pay for them already...or stay at another hotel where they are included.
Dec 8, 2018, 10:56 am
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Have a planned stay here in January for a weekend break - has anyone stayed here over the past few weekends, and if so, has their stay been impacted by the gillets jaunes protests?
Obviously it's too early to predict exactly what will be happening in January, but I am wondering whether I should be looking to hedge my beta and find a place to stay that isn't so close to the Champs Elysees.
Obviously it's too early to predict exactly what will be happening in January, but I am wondering whether I should be looking to hedge my beta and find a place to stay that isn't so close to the Champs Elysees.
I have a booking at the StR SF in a few weeks but wasn’t sure if the recent strike would end there by the time of our stay. So I booked the RC and FS as back ups, just in case. Fortunately, the strike ended this week, and so we needn’t have been concerned. But always better to be safe than sorry!
Last edited by bhrubin; Dec 12, 2018 at 5:26 pm