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Old Jan 5, 2017, 4:03 am
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This thread is a continuation of the 2016 Serve master thread located at Amex Serve (2016) [Many shutdowns starting Jan 8, 2016]


5/21/2019 another round of Serve and Bluebird shutdowns.

On January 8, 2016, most Serve cards that were being used for MS were closed by Amex due to "unusual activity". Recurring waves of shutdowns have continued.

There are three version of Serve cards, Blue, Green and Grey. The fees and specifics are listed here:
https://www.serve.com/help/?intlink=us-serve-marketing-home-customer2-incomm2018-freezecardlearnmore&anchor=lost-or-stolen-1

The best Serve version for MS purpose is the "Green" version. It can be loaded at CVS, Rite Aid, DG (cash only) and Walmart, FD stores (cash and debit). There is no loading fee, but there is a $6.95 monthly fee that can't be waived. You could avoid the monthly fee by keeping $0 balance prior to month end statement closing. But this may cause account shut-down. As of end of 2020, there have been changes at the loading side (FD, WM). Not all GCs are accepted. Trial and report back to forum.


As of April 16, 2015 regular Serve cards will only accept American Express network cards for online credit card loads.
Softcard Serve accounts are apparently grandfathered in the old system and continue to work as before, being able to load Mastercard, Visa, and Discover (see below).

For additional information on using prepaid debit cards, see PIN available now for Visa/MC prepaid debit cards.

You cannot make an ACH pull from Serve. The direct deposit account and routing numbers are for deposits only.

https://www.serve.com/#/add-cash

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.

Loads at 7-11 and CVS are cash only. Debit cards are NOT allowed.

Loads at Walmart have been confirmed with debit cards. Self checkout does not work for loading Serve. Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of prepaid debit cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked, then discreetly use your prepaid card when asked to swipe. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC (Walmart Money Center) again to load.

Debit loading at Family Dollar appears to be limited to $500 per day per store total (not per person or per account). Whoever gets there first gets the load for the day. Troubleshooting loading problems at FD

Loads at Dollar General - Appears to no longer be working with any brand of VCG.

Regular Serve
  • Serve loading via VR/MP (Vanilla Reload/Moneypak) or WM/FD load: $2,500 per card per day; $5,000 total per calendar month each card; $10,000 total each calendar month all Serve cards combined
  • Online Debit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month
    • Online Credit Card Load (AmEx only) - $200/day and $1,000/month
      • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
        • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
          • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month
You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $7k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Softcard Serve
Softcard has shutdown and there is no longer any way to apply for this version.
  • Serve loading via VR/MP (Vanilla Reload/Moneypak) or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
    • Online Debit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
      • Online Credit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
        • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
          • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
            • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $8k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Temp Serve
You can only load a maximum of $500/day, $1000/month on a temporary card. Once you get your permanent card, then you can load more. The initial $500 when you purchase the temp card doesn't count against the $5,000/month load limit.

OneVip Card: (Mucho gracias, AndrewTheMan)
This card is essentially just like the regular, fee-free, "old" serve. You may reload this card up to $2,500/day; $1,000/transaction at Walmart (not impacted by Blue Bird daily limit change). Have not tested FD or anywhere else. KATE takes this no problems..
You can use this to load the FIDO AMEX up to 1k a month.
Amex stopped taking applications for OneVip at the end of 2017. Cards acquired before then still work.

Limits for online debit card and credit card loads reset at 9 PM PST/12 AM EST

Online Credit Card Loads
Only one card can be linked at a time.

For online CC/DC loads, the name on the Serve account is supposed to match the name of the primary or joint cardholder. So using someone else's CC/DB card to load a Serve account is not allowed.

A few report no problems loading with an AU card in the Serve account holder's name. Increase your chances by making sure the AUs social security number is on file with the Credit Card.

When adding a new card you will usually need to call Serve Account security (1-800-555-4318) for verification of the new card on the second load try. This verification usually requires uploading of a photo of your ID and the credit card. You may pre-emptively avoid the error by going to the above website, logging in, and uploading a scan of a photo ID and the card you are trying to add. You may call back to expedite approval. One person with a Serve/Softcard account reported being sent to the main Serve number for this process.

https://www.serve.com/help/#add-money-5

Regular Serve Credit Card Loading

Regular Serve can only load from American Express network cards. In addition to those issued directly by American Express, this includes the following:
  • AAA Rewards AmEx
    • Alitalia AmEx
      • Bank of America Accelerated Rewards AmEx
        • Bank of Hawaii AmEx Card with MyBankoh Rewards
          • Bloomingdale's AmEx
            • Citi AAdvantage Platinum Select AmEx
              • Citi Dividend AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
                • Citi Thank You Preferred AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
                  • Dillard's AmEx
                    • FNBO AmEx
                      • FNBO Graphite AmEx
                        • FNBO Platinum AmEx
                          • Macy's AmEx
                            • Penfed Premium Travel Rewards AmEx
                              • SavingStar AmEx
                                • Travelocity AmEx
                                  • US Bank Flexperks AmEx
                                    • USAA Cash Rewards/Rewards Plus AmEx
                                      • Wells Fargo Propel World/365 AmEx

Softcard Serve Credit Card Loading

If you are fortunate enough to be grandfathered into a Softcard Serve Account, you can also load other credit cards beside American Express cards. Softcard Serve is not available to new applicants anymore so you'll need to get one of the other Serve options if you don't already have one. In general, Mastercard and American Express cards post as purchases. Visa cards transact as a cash advance and, therefore, require available CA limit; although most cards post as a purchase.

Treated as purchase, earns cashback/points/miles:
  • Bank of America (FIA) (MasterCard, American Express)
    • Barclaycard (Mastercard, Visa)
      • Capital One (Mastercard, Visa)
        • Chase (MasterCard, Visa)
          • Citi (MasterCard, American Express)
            • Discover
              • Wells Fargo Propel (American Express)
Treated as purchase, but doesn't earn points/miles:
  • American Express issued (Counts toward minimum spend -- see post #434) but does not earn points. Example: For the Delta Amex card, Serve counts towards min spend DL miles sign-up bonus, but that spend and subsequent trials of spend on Serve will not earn points. Don't do it, man!

Posts as a cash advance: The Chase Ink Bold is a charge card and has no cash advance ability.

A few report being unable to add the Chase IHG MC.

Online Debit Card Loads
For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. While initial transactions may work, your account will eventually be flagged.

Switching to Serve
Helpful instruction post, latest. Thanks raeneye.

Also see this thread: Switching from Serve to BlueBird - 31 day wait???

Switching from BB to Serve
  1. Login to BB account, bring account balance to Zero, (By Bill Pay, Send money, etc..)
    • Call BB, tell them that you want to open a serve account and close your current BB account. after they check everything they will say something like: "Your account will be permanently closed after 31 days, you can reopen it within 31 day if you change your mind, and you can apply for your new Serve account now, just make sure use the exact same register info from BB."
      • at this point BB is closed. next morning, goto CVS and get a temporary Serve card (only with cash), load $500, ($2.95 waived, Yeah!!)
        • get back home, register temporary Serve online, First error: "phone number already registered, please try a different number" could be the my BB's ghost account still showing up on their system, could be my info is not match my BB's registration? i'm not really sure at this point. What I did is keep the same number but change from Cell phone to home phone. and registration went through
          • after the register and login, second error: "We're still processing your application. Please check your email for an update"
            • I have see people on the thread reported waiting for weeks for the same message, So, I pickup the phone and called them, ask them to speed up the process.
              • CSR, told me that my account went to "account security protection department" transfer me to them.
                • at account security protection department, they told me need to call back on my phone number which I registered to verify.
                  • after the call back of verification, CSR told me that my new Serve account is active now, email address verification will be send with in 5 minutes, permanent card will be received within 7-10 days.
                    • CSR also told me the I can load and spend on the temporary card, but not bill pay.

Switching from Redbird is presumably similar. See the RedCard thread for more information.

The number to call to approve your registration after closing Bluebird: Serve Account security 1-800-555-4318

Loading with debit card at Walmart register
Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
    • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
      • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
        • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.

Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered.

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.

Using Serve
For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy VRs/GCs
    • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
      • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement

For bank transfers
Under Settings --> Funding & Transfers --> Bank & Cards --> U.S. Bank Account, you can add your bank info and transfer funds from your Serve card directly to your bank. The bank account must be verified, either by the standard "deposit 2 small sums into your account, such as $0.23 & $0.42" method, or doing an "instant verification" by actually logging into your bank account while still logged into Serve.
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People with an apartment address can find helpful information quoted in post #7



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Old Dec 29, 2020, 8:19 am
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Originally Posted by sa_cheerio
I got the same problem, so now I just pause using Serve altogether, maybe start back after the holidays.
The real question is What if USPS lost our checks? Who should we talk to?
Now, all the electronic payment systems are big jokes. If you ever get problem with Paypal and want to talk to someone or even receive an email response, never.
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Old Dec 29, 2020, 8:59 am
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Originally Posted by sa_cheerio
I got the same problem, so now I just pause using Serve altogether, maybe start back after the holidays.
The real question is What if USPS lost our checks? Who should we talk to?
I did a stop payment on my BB payment and was refunded the full amount within about 4 business days. Still waiting on hearing back from serve about stopping that payment.
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Old Jan 2, 2021, 12:01 am
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Originally Posted by ricohitman
I did a stop payment on my BB payment and was refunded the full amount within about 4 business days. Still waiting on hearing back from serve about stopping that payment.
Mine is already delivered back in December 5, but it never got credited to my account... Do I want to call amex and get under RAT team's eyes or do I want to lose some several thousands...?
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Old Jan 2, 2021, 7:07 am
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Originally Posted by sa_cheerio
Mine is already delivered back in December 5, but it never got credited to my account... Do I want to call amex and get under RAT team's eyes or do I want to lose some several thousands...?
Get your money back.
There is no guarantee that the rats will look, and even if they do, that they will act.

Even assuming the worst, that the rats look and act, you have just lost a liquidation route, which will hurt, but not as much as losing thousands
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Old Jan 4, 2021, 10:25 am
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Undelivered checks/Billpay::

I have been using Serve to make payments to Amex CC for several months.
I scheduled a payment on Dec 11, similar to some of you it was not posted yet until end of Dec, hought I will wait if anybody comes here with an update.

Got a letter and the check (sent by Serve) from Amex CC saying that payment not processed because it was missing the 15 digit A/C no. and check shows to Account #0.

I go into Serve, my bill pay, payee and surprise/shock- my saved payees - Amex CC has everything but a blank A/C no
.I have no clue, how this happened and in the first place, why wasnt there any error when I attempted to make a bill pay.

Called up Serve, long wait (25min), ,explained the situation to the first line of rep - said i could stop the payment but had to be dealt with the Dispute dept and transferred me for another (45min) wait.

On transfer, all she said was if you want to dispute, we will send you an email. No case no. or an acknowledgement for the call was given. Crossing my fingers.

So, PLS double check your saved payees before submitting any BP.

Update 1: got an acknowledgement email saying they are investigating and to wait for another email.

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Old Jan 5, 2021, 7:49 am
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Meow that's my worst fear! Why oh why did they break the old system and delete our digital payees? And am I the only one who finds it ridiculously convoluted to delete a payee?
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Old Jan 5, 2021, 6:48 pm
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Originally Posted by sa_cheerio
Mine is already delivered back in December 5, but it never got credited to my account... Do I want to call amex and get under RAT team's eyes or do I want to lose some several thousands...?
The Amex prepaid programs are managed by Incomm. The RATs only play with the credit accounts.
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Old Jan 8, 2021, 12:37 pm
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I'm trying to understand how it's possible that I did over $100k on 2 serve cards and was still able to make online debit card loads to my cards before 1/1/2021. I even maxed it out at $1k each. Both same SSN.
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Old Jan 9, 2021, 10:39 pm
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Originally Posted by bodansky
Undelivered checks/Billpay::

I have been using Serve to make payments to Amex CC for several months.
I scheduled a payment on Dec 11, similar to some of you it was not posted yet until end of Dec, hought I will wait if anybody comes here with an update.

Got a letter and the check (sent by Serve) from Amex CC saying that payment not processed because it was missing the 15 digit A/C no. and check shows to Account #0.

I go into Serve, my bill pay, payee and surprise/shock- my saved payees - Amex CC has everything but a blank A/C no
.I have no clue, how this happened and in the first place, why wasnt there any error when I attempted to make a bill pay.

Called up Serve, long wait (25min), ,explained the situation to the first line of rep - said i could stop the payment but had to be dealt with the Dispute dept and transferred me for another (45min) wait.

On transfer, all she said was if you want to dispute, we will send you an email. No case no. or an acknowledgement for the call was given. Crossing my fingers.

So, PLS double check your saved payees before submitting any BP.

Update 1: got an acknowledgement email saying they are investigating and to wait for another email.
Please let us know if you have any updates.
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Old Jan 10, 2021, 8:51 am
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Originally Posted by ricohitman
I'm trying to understand how it's possible that I did over $100k on 2 serve cards and was still able to make online debit card loads to my cards before 1/1/2021. I even maxed it out at $1k each. Both same SSN.
Good for you !! Your post is why we all keep doing this

However.....
I am wondering how people who took care of plague infected people in the middle ages managed to survive without perishing themselves ???
Or.....how soldiers managed to jump out of the initial landing crafts on Omaha beach on 6/3/1944 and not get shot ???

There always will be people who survive events......no matter how poor the odds of surviving them are.

When all one hears about is the success stories, one tends to dismiss the failures, who may never get a chance (or want) to tell their tales of woe.
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Old Jan 10, 2021, 10:21 am
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@radonc1

Sooner or later the MSers all die. The question is who dies earlier or later....

$$ can be made elsewhere. Some trade Bitcoin and some trade Tesla.

I still have a couple of those cards that just collecting dust. I can certainly make 1,000 points easily each month without even leaving my chair. But my lazy bones do not want me to move....
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Old Jan 10, 2021, 3:12 pm
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Originally Posted by RedSun
@radonc1

Sooner or later the MSers all die. The question is who dies earlier or later....

$$ can be made elsewhere. Some trade Bitcoin and some trade Tesla.

I still have a couple of those cards that just collecting dust. I can certainly make 1,000 points easily each month without even leaving my chair. But my lazy bones do not want me to move....
I'll die knowing i lived life to the fullest. Thanks.
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Old Jan 10, 2021, 3:37 pm
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Originally Posted by radonc1
Good for you !! Your post is why we all keep doing this

However.....
I am wondering how people who took care of plague infected people in the middle ages managed to survive without perishing themselves ???
Or.....how soldiers managed to jump out of the initial landing crafts on Omaha beach on 6/3/1944 and not get shot ???

There always will be people who survive events......no matter how poor the odds of surviving them are.

When all one hears about is the success stories, one tends to dismiss the failures, who may never get a chance (or want) to tell their tales of woe.
Originally Posted by ricohitman
I'll die knowing i lived life to the fullest. Thanks.
Wish you the best luck, as @radonc1 said. Also I take a huge grain to all other people said in public forum....
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Old Jan 11, 2021, 12:51 pm
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I had a weird issue at a couple of Family Dollars today. Several Metabank Visa cards had errors reading the magnetic stripe, or at least that's what the error message said. These cards all came from Stop & Shop on the same purchase. A Metabank MC worked just fine. Did I just get really unlucky with a batch of defective cards or is there more going on?
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Old Jan 11, 2021, 8:32 pm
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Originally Posted by UserMark
I had a weird issue at a couple of Family Dollars today. Several Metabank Visa cards had errors reading the magnetic stripe, or at least that's what the error message said. These cards all came from Stop & Shop on the same purchase. A Metabank MC worked just fine. Did I just get really unlucky with a batch of defective cards or is there more going on?
Hard to say. Some of the DG and FD stores have old card readers. Sometimes you'll have to try several times. Or try another store.
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